As much as I like ZW last drive & I believe in ZW, every QB looks good if you take their best group of throws in a game. Best way to judge a QB is look at a full game or multiple games to judge consistency. Go ZW. Build on last game so we can look back at multiple games & say dam he's playing good ball CONSISTENTLY.
This take right here. Zach played like a 2nd year QB who has fine-tuned his game over the off-season. If we get our OL healthy, this is a team you don't want to see late in the season. And Saleh has managed late game situations quite well so far.
I loved the confidence Zach showed. I thought Nania made a good point about him staying in the pocket longer as the game went on as he got more used to the rush. I also loved his calmness in the pocket. This is a big improvement. As well as back foot looking calm on the last step of his drop. That looked at least to me really good all day. The only negative thing I notice was a number of plays where he left his left foot to the left of the target and was not properly lined up towards the target. Both of the poor throws he dirted were examples of this. The one to Wilson and Hall. Both of those throws looked rushed and lazy where he tried to throw all arm. The problem is he is talented enough to get away with this on a lot of throws.You will see him arm throws like this over the middle where he is trying to look off a safety. He can get away with a lot of those as he seems to adjust his torso to compensate but the short throws I don't think he is able to compensate for bad footwork. I had a list of things I wanted to see Calmness, back foot mechanics, confidence, pocket presence, left foot at target throwing with body, better decisions and consistency. He checked most of my boxes. Getting the ball out quickly yes on the 2nd half and not so good 1st half. Biggest thing to me is him playing calm and confident. Sabo is right everything with Zach is mental. Most of all I want to see consistency. Those two bad throws were horrible decisions. The one throwaway not as bad. But, he needs to be a lot more consistent. But it is a good base and it shows everyone what Zach could be when everything clicks and it validates everything ColoradoContrails and a few others have been saying about his potential this last year and a half. Keep in mind Moore, Wilson, Conklin, Moore, Davis Z. Wilson and MLF have played very little together. They are in their infancy and are just getting to know each other. This offense could be really scary by the end of the year once MLF starts learning what works for for everyone and once the OL improves. I am not sold on Zach yet I am a Jet fan and I don't ever expect nice things) but he has the tools to succeed and oh oh oh his ceiling is so F-ing high when everything is clicking. To me it's about playing consistent and getting the ball out quickly.
JT O'Suulivan breaks down Zach's performance. Edit: After watching the video I will add that I am not a big fan of O'Sullivan. While his production quality is really high he really rushes through his videos and leaves out a lot of detail you see in other videos. Watch Pavia's video when it comes out there will be so much more detail. Even Nani's video had a ton more detail. I loved Sabo;s videos and Nania's. Nania's analysis of how Wilson used his eyes to move Minks around the field on play after play was great. Highlighting the chess match between Minka and Zach. His focus on Zach's keys on each play was nice too. All this level of detail is missing from O'Sullivan. O'Sullivan does not even seem to know the names of the Jets WRs. Sometimes O'Sullivan has some pretty detailed videos but is pretty hit and miss. He might be a big name but I would contend there are a lot better people out there. Although his production quality is head and tails above anyone else.
O'Sullivan concentrated on weird plays. Here is a good breakdown of what Zach needs to improve and what MLF needs to improve.
I loved this breakdown! Thanks for the link! Second thought: Johnson needs to tell Douglas: "Hire him to work with Zach and LaFleur". Now! Very often, great players don't know how to break down what they're doing to become great, but Warner, having gone through all the ups and downs that he did to finally get to the NFL, know better than anyone what it takes. He would be an extremely valuable resource for this offense. I'm sure there's lots of "reasons" that will be put forth why this won't ever happen, and maybe they're valid, but if I'm Woody and Douglas I'd exhaust all avenues trying to make this happen.
I didn't see this post until after I responded to your first Warner video, but this only reaffirms my wish that the Jets hire Warner in some capacity to work with Wilson and the offense. And just as importantly, if not more so, the Jets need to take a hard look at their offensive scheme because there's a lot of problems with it. For one, I think they over complicate things needlessly. Why do I say that? because for 3 quarters they were trying to stick to their scheme and they were struggling, Zach was struggling, but then in the 4th qtr they seemed to have abandoned all the complexity and trickery and just told Zach "Go out there and make plays". And Pittsburgh couldn't stop it. They didn't need any fancy plays or trickery, they just lined up and Zach mostly went with his first read and by doing that and being decisive he was throwing darts on time into tight windows. Now will a simplified offense continue to work all the time going down the road? No, but the first order of business IMO is to get Zach and the rest of the offense to have confidence in themselves and what they're doing, then you can begin to add layers of complexity over that. Over time they'll develop a much deeper playbook, but one they know they can execute. And again, hire Warner!
These were the best breakdowns I have seen. Interesting on the first pick and almost Wilson pick he put a lot of blame on the receiver and the MLF.
Thank you for posting those videos CVAL. I really enjoyed them. Combined with Sabo's video, Nania's video and O'Sullivan's video it gave a pretty complete picture. We never got a Viktor Pavia video. That was sad. Warner reinforced what we learned in the other videos that Zach's pocket presence was not good the 1st two quarters. He showed Zach at fault on the one sack. we saw from I think Nania's videos Zach not stepping up in the pocket in the 1st half but him greatly improving upon that in the third and 4th quarter. we saw from O'Sullivan and Warner that Moore ran a bad route on the INT. We saw from Nania and Sabo how Zach used his eyes to move Fitzpatrick around and the chessmatch the two were playing. We saw a lot of what Zach was using as keys to to decisions in Nania's video and to a lesser extent Warner's. Nania did a great job of highlighting the Jets running the same play a number of times and Zach making different reads as the defense made played it differently. I enjoyed Warner breaking down issues in spacing and possible design issues. We see that sometimes in X factor videos but I thought Warner did a better job. In regards to the spacing and play design issuess again I would say this is the first time Zach, Garrrett, Davis, Moore, Conklin and MLF have played together. It will take time for the receivers to run better routes and adjust their spacing and it will take time for MLF to adjust and change the playbook to fix what's not working and what is. Rather I think these issues should be expected as it is part of the growing pains. As the year went on last year MLF changed the playbook throwing out what was not working and refining what Zach liked and did well. We are in the infancy of the offense right now. There will be growing pains for everyone, not just Zach, but MLF as well. Hopefully we will see more flashes of everything clicking like last week.
Well that gives some support to my feeling that Wilson was expecting different than what unfolded. Still, he should've recognized that and not forced things. Part of the learning curve. I sure hope that either he saw this in the film room this week, and/or LaFleur did and they get the receivers to see it as well.
And BTW, what Warner said about helping a young QB out, and what happens when you don't, can be applied in spades to what the Jets did with Darnold. And while I think they've done better with Saleh and MLF, having hired a rookie, defensive coach, and a first time OC again, they've done their rookie/young QB no favors. I'm not saying they should fire Saleh and MLF, but I do believe they need to get a QB specialist in - if not Warner, then someone who knows how to teach pro QB concepts - to work with Zach and MLF. Hiring Saleh and MLF might've been okay if they had - or expected to have - a veteran QB, but it's clear from watching since the beginning of last year that they haven't really taken into account the deep learning curve needed to become a competent - let alone above average - pro QB. Watching Warner ' breakdown really made this clear. There's too much complexity that Zach needs to process, and this is made worse by the lack of protection he usually has, leaving him with even less time to process things. As he plays more, and learns the pro game more, he'll be able to process more quickly, and complexity can be added, but for now they're working at cross purposes.
I like the idea of Warner being either a QB whisperer or a salaried QB Coach. The one thing that might be a hinderance is that Warner has a lot more knowledge about modern NFL offenses than MLF and there might be some apprehension about territories, philosophies etc.. I think he could transform Zach into a true FQB a helluva quicker than on his present learning curve.
