Expecting 300 yards and 2-3 touchdowns from Zach is pretty damn optimistic. I would love it, but expecting that from Zach is like expecting to shoot even par on a course you've never played at with a 15 handicap. 60%+ completion percentage, 250 yards, and 2 touchdowns would be one of his best games ever and probably good enough to win, but even expecting that is probably a lot.
Believe it or not the Zach critics (myself included) have been very patient and reasonable to this point. We’ve accepted the baby steps he’s taken this year and listened to supporters that are trying to pick and parse every throw to show proof despite the statistics. I’m sorry, but now it’s time for the stars to start supporting the story. SD has the worst pass D in the league. I don’t care about Mack and Bosa, receivers will be open in time to make plays and move the ball with relative ease. It’s about time he has a game that actually leaves us all saying without a doubt “yeah that was a great performance”. If he can’t do that year 3 vs the worst pass D in the league then he’s just not good enough, and likely never will be.
I wish Zach Wilson was a far along the QB path as Will Levis is...We'd be real contenders instead of a mediocre team with illusions of grandeur. Good thing (?) we're tamping down the expectations for Zach Wilson now. Keeping the bar low as possible always gives the nod to Zach as no matter how bad he might play, it will always be better than the expectations we have for him.
This game might be just what the doctor ordered to get Hackett/Saleh to loosen up the reins and be more aggressive on offense. For certain they need to use more screens, rollouts, and if the rushing attack is having any success, PA.
Of course he is. He has no interest in being fair. He never wanted Zach, and he wants him to fail so that he can say that he was right. He doesn't care about what's best for the team. He'd probably love nothing more than to see Zach have an awful game.
He had 240 vs the Giants in the rain, and were it not for a bunch of dropped passes, he'd have been close to, if not over 300 yards.
are you talking about me? I've been a Jets fan since I could talk and now I'm an old man. So kick rocks with that, of course I hope they are successful. I actually watch the games unlike you. The funny thing is that I actually wasn't that negative about the draft pick, so to say I "never wanted" Wilson is just wrong. I just wanted and still want, my favorite team to have a good NFL QB. As for monday, I think I've said it in this very thread already, I expect a good performance from Wilson at home against the worst pass defense in the league
We need to put up points. 10 or 13 isn't going to cut it. I don't think the CS will have a choice but to let zach throw it. but who knows. Zach has already failed which is the funny part. now we are accessing him as a backup QB which is what the jets made him. Funny enough and IDK how many people watched the titans game but levis I thought played pretty well overall but on the final play he had a WR wide open and he didn't see it and that would have been the win barring a drop or bad throw and instead he threw into triple coverage and got picked off. he could have thrown it away as well and had 1 more shot at the end zone after that play.
I thought that until I watched him dominate the raiders to the tune of 6 sacks in a game lol. I said it earlier this year to my friend right before that game like what happened to mack, haven't really followed him. is he washed and he's like IDK. then I watched the raiders game and he was dominant and I was like nevermind
I agree that the Jets need to score at least 20 points if they are to have any chance at winning. I disagree that Zach has already failed. The team failed HIM. They are remedying that situation now. They're developing him now the way they should have his rookie season. This is like an injury rehab, but it's mental. You and others may be assessing him as a backup QB, but I don't believe the Jets are for one second. I think they still see him as possibly Rodgers' successor and a potential FQB.
whether it was him or the team he's shown he's not going to be "the guy" he isn't worth a 2nd contract to start for us. and FWIW how many failures have we blamed on "the team" only to see it's the player? mims? hackenberg? morgan? sanchez? etc. not like players leave here and become great out of nowhere. meanwhile we have developed other teams "trash" like quincy, JFM, reed to an extent.
True, and the converse also works…if not for Breece taking a 3 yard pass and breaking tackles and taking it to the house he’d have had less than 200 and no TD’s. Again. So those things kind of balance out over the long run…all QBs have drops, all QBs get 3 yard throws that once in a while become 40 yard TDs, etc. We are now not talking about stats not being indicative of play because the sample size is too small. We now have almost 30 games in (not sure the exact count as he missed some games in his first two years)? I think we’re at a point where the sample size is big enough and I’m not buying any excuses or going through more mental gymnastics to try and see why he was actually not as bad as the stats say! Enough is enough already. That being said, like I’ve said in other posts, I didn’t watch the game live as I was traveling, but I did watch the whole thing later on Sunday Ticket after I knew the outcome. Honestly, watching it later, I didn’t think he did as badly last week as I had expected to see after reading the posts…yes it was bad that we had no third downs, it was bad that he took a boneheaded sack on 4th down…we continue to see stalled drives and we probably lead the league in 3 and outs, and he continues to make one or two bonehead plays per game, but he did make two great throws with 30 seconds left to tie the game so I give him credit there. He CAN do it…he just DOESN’T do it consistently enough. Don’t know why…I do think the last few games he’s taking baby steps at getting better and I hope he continues to do so.
Yeah….football is funny because it truly IS a TEAM game. The QB is the MOST important part, but in the end it’s a team game all around. Coaching, offense, defense, special teams. Same at the player level. A great WR won’t put up great numbers without a pretty good QB. One great OL won’t make the entire OL play great if the other guys suck. A great CB can make a huge impact (Revis, Sauce) but without other good DB’s or a good pass rush, the offense can compensate. So it’s all interdependent. Anyway, I fully agree…I’ve seen absolutely NOTHING out of Zach to date that would make me want to resign him or exercise his fifth year option. If he plays like this the rest of the year I don’t think it warrants the fifth year option at all. If he continues to improve and the trajectory is definitely better, then I’d consider it, but so far, even with his baby steps improvement in the last couple games it’s not enough to make me want to resign him.
yup all very true. That was the annoying thing with revis. Teams just picked on the other CB. then we got cro to pair with him and they picked on the CB3 (lito shepard? IIRC) a good pass rush makes up for a subpar secondary. a great secondary can make up for a medicore rush with coverage sacks. a good o-line can make a mid RB look like a star. it's all relative. not to mention each team runs a different system on offense and defense. It's really hard to get an "apples to apples" comparison in the NFL. so many variables and what ifs.
You like to think that they know more than us....but everytime I see Zach moving or rolling out, he does OK or good. When he does straight drop-back, it's a disaster .
With regards to the bold, no, the converse doesn't work. It doesn't work that way. YAC is always part of a QB's yardage. I think that you're nitpicking because it's Zach. If it was Rodgers, I bet you wouldn't think about that at all. It was a great play by Breece, but Zach did a great job throwing it side arm to get around the defender (who was right in front of Zach in the throwing lane and had his arms raised), and he hit Breece in the hands in stride and set him up so he could go forward with the ball. If Zach wasn't able to throw the ball accurately at different arm angles, it's quite likely that TD would never have happened. With poor ball placement maybe it slows him down which would have enabled the defenders to close in on him, or perhaps Breece drops it like he did another throw where he could have probably gained 20-30 yards because the field was wide open ahead of him, and he might have even been able to score another TD. I disagree that those things even out. You ask any QB if they een out and they'd tell you "NO!" Yes, all QBs have drops but the drop rate for Jets receivers for Zach this season is atrocious. Lazard is dropping them at a 20% clip, and Cobb at a 40% clip. Tell me that all QBs have drop rates like that from their #2 and #3 WR. Also, have any other QBs had to deal with the awful and inconsistent play calling this season that Zach has? Have any of them had to deal with constant stupid penalties that kill drives? Have any of them been pressured on 52% of their dropbacks? How many times has Zach been hit? Have other QBs been hit that many times? The whole offense, including Hackett are culpable. Zach has made his mistakes, which need to be cleaned up, but he isn't the reason for all the offensive futility this season. On one play or one series, perhaps he is, but on other plays or series the OL is a sieve and Zach has no chance, or one of them commits a stupid penalty nullifying a big gain. I agree that he needs to keep getting better, and I believe that he will. He will get more consistent. The bonehead sacks will stop. One or two bonehead plays a game won't lose many games. As others have pointed out, a lot of QBs are looking bad this season and offense is down league-wide.
