Gase does deserve credit though. Even in Indy Manning never had that high powered of an offense. That offense was Gases creation with great execution through Manning. Regardless it was obvious after Gases stint in Miami he should have never been hired or even considered for the Jets. That hire was the worst hire the Jets made, even worse than Saleh.
The problem is that there are significant question marks for most of the offensive candidates other than Johnson. Brady for the reason you stated, Coen because he's only had 1 good year on his own as OC (I find it difficult to give him credit for the year with the Rams/McVay). Monken is more of a mixed bag. Lamar has had some of his best passing seasons under Monken which is good. The Bucs had a pretty good offense with Jameis and Monken. The Browns' offense wasn't great under Monken/Baker, but that was also the Kitchens year so maybe he was just too terrible to overcome. If we're going purely by resume, and assuming Johnson isn't available, Monken is probably the most attractive. I do like that Coen worked with McVay for 4 years though.
We could say this also after he failed for 4 years since leaving Denver before he even got here. He was an assistant under Gase in Miami for 3 years, but really blossomed in Detroit though well after 2018. I don't think it's a big deal.
Exactly. All Woody has done is hire first time Head Coaches with a defensive background. It's happened literally every time that he has made a coaching change. Christopher at least had the right idea. I understand why he made the choice he did, even if we could see it would be a disaster from a mile away. He went for an offensive mind, someone who had HC experience, and it came on the recommendation of one of the greatest QBs of all-time. Two of those things were what fans were begging for, he just got it wrong and leaned too heavily on Manning's endorsement. The only thing Woody has done is to slightly change the process by which they go about making the decision to hire the GMs and coaches, but still arrives at the exact same conclusion each time despite trying to appease the fans with a process that appears to be different on the surface.
I just don’t know if Ben Johnson comes here, waves a magic wand because he designs a fun offense that’s loaded, and subsequently fixes the franchise with all of its warts. Is he a leader of men? He can design and call an offensive game but I don’t think he has to do a lot of the hard nosed football stuff or locker room culture-changing type of stuff because he has Dan Campbell and a ton of ex-players to do all that heavy lifting for him.
Come on now…I think that success was due more to Peyton than to Gase, as Peyton was great without Gase but Gase sucked without Peyton If you want to give him credit as the OC of the highest scoring team feel free but I don’t think he deserves much of it, as he proved outside of Peyton…
If it’s a defensive guy, please not Aaron Glenn. I was a big fan of his when I was a kid. Best thing to happen to him was to be expansion drafted away from this team. It would be terrible for him to come back here just to be ruined. With us wearing the malaise era helmets again, to boot. Plus think of how often we’d be subjected to clips of the fake spike every time we play the Fish. No thank you.
Yah I mentioned Rex’s couple of good years, but then the players aged out and he digressed…our offenses were never great with him, but yes out of all of our coaches, he had the most success…still an overall losing record though. Not sure Mangini’s team was the best in the league but we were humming for sure until Favre got hurt. But still…if you hold those two guys up as HC tenure’s that “worked”, more power to you. I wouldn’t. And Gase sucked no shit…we ALL knew he would the minute we hired him. He was terrible in Miami. That doesn’t negate the fact that our defensive coaches were terrible
Somebody brought up a great point earlier that I dont know if there's an answer to... who is interviewing these HC candidates? This seems very concerning it's happening without a GM in place
Some of the coaches we've had since Woody took over have "worked" better than others, but not of them have been what I would call successful, which would mean that they had something that at least could be argued as being "sustained" success. There have been short bursts of success, such as with Rex in 2009 and 2010, but on the whole, only one coach since Woody has taken over the ownership has left the Jets with a winning record, and that was Al Groh back in 2000 with a 9-7 record after one season. And, if memory serves, Parcells had more of a hand in hiring Groh than Woody did anyway.
Nah, too old and too long out of the league. But keep thinking of outsiders like that. I don't think Vrabel is going to do it and he seems to be the leading contender among the board.
Just because Gase was a bad coach doesn’t mean he wasn’t a good offensive mind. The guy had to have some sort of smarts hanging in a room with Manning. That said, just because Ben Johnson is a great offensive mind doesn’t mean he’ll be a good HC
Well, Ben was able to create top notch offense without a great QB, like Peyton. Doesn't mean he would make a great HC, but this is not comparable to Gase, whose offenses were well below average for Chicago and Miami before he got here. As far as smarts to be with Peyton, yes to some extent, but also it could be he was aided by serving Peyton coffee just the way he likes it. A la Hackett and Rodgers.
