Other then I have no faith in Woody actually putting his foot down there? But even that aside at the end of the day here there is going to be a 2025 season to play out, and by every rational account right now Aaron Rodgers is set to be it's QB. Regardless how convinced we are now or latter in it being able to actually bear real fruit, an effort will be put together to try and win games around that last year of Aaron being here. In that respect it really only makes sense imo they will end up bringing in a HC that is going to gel with that effort. Again, even if the plan ends up being to fire the guy once Aaron is gone.
He got fired because the team was 8-8. And the reason the team was 8-8 was it was untalented (particularly at QB, but all over the field). They had below average talent.
thats very incorrect. Rex's buffalo teams had talent, in fact they went to the playoffs the very next season after his dismissal
In all seriousness, Rex isn't the way to go though I get the intrigue. He's also been out of coaching for 10+ years and the league has changed a lot in that time. I would guess he'd fill his staff with other has-been/over-the-hill coaches and imagine an antiquated offense and defense. There were a lot of bad personnel moves during his tenure, but he did plenty to get himself fired and that he didn't have success elsewhere after is important. I think some may be romanticizing Rex. 09-10' were great years for sure. But the next few were not at all. Can't go back in time
Right but you said they had below average talent. Clearly that's a false statement. They underachieved with Rex. He had a future DPOY on his defense (with better coaching) and a running back that finished with over 10K yards rushing
That's your opinion. I disagree with you. Green Bay, New Orleans, Pittsburgh and the Rams all had below average talent last year and made the playoffs. It happens every season. It's a product of half the league making the playoffs. Again, I diagree. And nothing else. The third of fourth best player ON THE ENTIRE TEAM was Richie Incognito
Richie Incognito was a 4-time pro bowler, no caps needed, he wasnt a bad player. Ok I'll add them HE WASNT A BAD PLAYER.
There are no accounts at all, rational or not about what Rodgers will be doing next year - only opinions. In fact I posted one from Over the Cap on another thread just a couple of days ago that was 180 degrees from yours. Those guys appear to be much closer to the subject than we are.
I mean...there is the whole being under contract to be on that 2025 roster for a very substantial amount of money thing. That is something that is real and tangible atm. We also have what Rodgers has commented in regardless to his plans for his future, and maybe just as important the lack of anything damning coming for Woody thus far that might actually suggest a change in current direction consideration. That article I assume you are referring to was simply breaking down the cap math stuff under a variety of different scenarios. Great stuff, but that piece doesn't ultimately suggest Rodgers being on his way out of the building anymore then my ample amount of criticism and second guessing about him over the last year+ here has. For that we need talk out of AR about retirement consideration, talks of him being unhappy in NY, talks of Woody being unhappy or regretful with having Rodgers, an actual pick stockpile trade of a guy at the deadline (say Garrett Wilson) that might suggest a blow it up approach being on the horizon, ect ect. Till we get at least something along those lines then I would say there most certainly is enough account factors there and present that point to another AR season in 2025 as being the most likely outcome on that horizon.
Adding Firing Hackett to that latter list too btw. Seeing that would be a great indication of there being a consideration possibility of not bringing Aaron back in 2025. Not firing Hackett with or even before Saleh is a pretty damning suggestion in itself that we ain't close yet to getting there though imo
Yeah, no - I have no idea what article you're assuming; the one I referred to didn't "ultimately suggest" anything, it flatly stated "it is hard to really create a scenario where he returns." I give no more credence to the words of the self-confessed, self-serving liar Rodgers, past, present or future than I do to the thought that contracts are neither changed nor broken. It appears that any "rational account" you may be relying on is self perpetuated - which is, of course, your prerogative.
It's not hard at all to recreate a scenario where he returns. As that is exactly what is currently in place to happen with no out in the Rodgers contract. Putting all that stuff in quotes still isn't going make that simple and fairly damning fact go away just because you or any article ideally wants it to. Right now all we have is a bunch of loud fans and click chasing media making a bunch of noise about how disappointed they are with how this season is playing out. Just like we end up having pretty much every year. Again, that ain't what we actually need here to start reasonably suggesting there is going to be an Aaron Rodger'less team being fielded next year imo. You also seem to want to put a lot more faith into Woody doing the right thing then I believe he deserves.
Create all the scenarios you desire. Putting stuff in quotes is done when using the words of others, rather than simply conjuring it up in one's mind. Acting as if you know what's going on in my mind, especially when it represents what you believe is my faith in Johnson is totally ridiculous. Right now what we have is a failed football team and Aaron Rodgers is a major part of that on many levels.
Haven’t seen McCarthy mentioned yet. He’s done in Dallas and wanted this job not too long ago. I could see him and Rodgers rekindling an old flame for a year if he still wants to play
Two old, recently failed retreads is the antithesis of how this FO should be looking to build the future of this team for the next 3-5 years. Hard Pass.
Simple question- do you think Aaron Rodgers is going to learn a new playbook and terminology for one more season of football?
Generally speaking, no. But that also plays into the reason I believe it's a current path forward given that he's going to have a big hand and say in who our next HC hire is for that one season. Let's be clear in that I'm not actually the one creating any scenarios here. My scenario is the one that currently exists and is scheduled to happen until it isn't. You've only been focusing solely in on the here and now negatives, and are again giving Woody way too much big long term picture credit imo. Where to me it seems pretty clear to me at this point Rodgers was his baby. Heck, i'm not even sold that if given the option of a complete hindsight do-over today he would even choose *NOT* to bring Rodgers in. Not if it meant sacrificing all that hype train attention and "talked about even more then the Cowboys" relevancy that for better or for worse AR has brought to this franchise. Woody strikes me as liking the attention way too much for that, and that in turn makes him a much easier buy in mark to any presented concept that it could still work with some adjustments. Guessing I'll also remember this exchange come next April btw. When this years sins have gradually given way among the fanbase to the repackaged hope centered around the "better energy" AR Take 3 season (who's still going to be a better QB this year then anything we've had in a long while), and when it's once again often me vs the much more optimistic forum pile on arguing over much of the shallow/flawed logic going into that decision to run it back with AR.
