Ok, maybe you're misunderstanding the story. Here is what happened: 1. Vince Young took the test 2. The administrator scored the test 3. The administrator determined that the score was a 6. 4. This score was logged as Vince Young's official score and was reported to all the NFL teams. 5. PFT got word of this and reported it on their site, and some other news outlets also reported it. 6. Someone re-checked the test because it's so unbelievable for him to score that low, and found that it was scored incorrectly by the administrator. 7. Everyone now knows that although the test was originally scored a 6, he did NOT get a 6 and it will be re-scored (which I'm sure has been done already). So where in there did PFT or any other site that reported it get this wrong? I happen to agree that PFT is not a reliable site a lot of the time, I'm just confused as to what you think they did wrong on this one. They reported what they thought was an official score. The NFL and every NFL team ALSO thought it was a 6 until they looked at it again.
Just to be clear, the point I'm trying to make is that the score did not originally come from PFT. I do not know why you think that. It came from the NFL.
I'll tell you where I stand on this - I think he DID score a 6. There isn't a doubt in my mind. When someone scores that low on a test it would be much as if someone score a 50 - it would be checked and rechecked. The problem was that the score hit open air, and the combine had a problem. If a score was leaked, THEY leaked it. That's a problem. I'm sure they got an earful from Vince's agent, and I'd bet the threat of a lawsuit (although, for what, I can't imagine). Suddenly, the people who run the combine had some damage control to do, and the easiest thing to do was to blame a correcting error. jilozzo predicted something like that earlier today - before the PFT corrective story - and he'd know better than you or I. I also don't believe PFT was the sole source in this. It couldn't be. The guys from PFT aren't at the combine. Newspapers don't cite a rumor website (and that's all it is) without qualifying the story with a second source.
Obviously Florio wasn't there. He claims he got the info from a source there. It could be his source made it up. It could be Florio is telling the truth. We may never know.
It shouldn't matter anyway. Some football players are pretty damn illiterate, but they're still good football players. Ray Lewis is absolutely moronic for even getting close to murder, yet he's one of the best sideline-sideline linebacker to ever play the game. Football intelligence and logic intelligence on a wonderlic are much better. I've said it all along... Put Ryan Fitzpatrick and Vince Young on the field and you'd take Vince Young. It's a god damn no brainer. Young has all the tools and the x factor, he's a football player with football instincts. I too didn't put too much stock into it and everyone blew it up like Young would never amount to anything but a practice squad player.
PFT is already a shitty pathetic site as it is, and this just continues to prove their incompetence in the sporting news world.
that's because the story was that he got such a low score. if he did not get a low score, there is no story, thus nothing to talk about. not quite sure how you talk about something that isn't there to talk about. the frenzy of conversation about the low score could actually be attributed to the fact that most people were actually surprised by such a score, thus the surprise was something to talk about. if people are surprised at this, then they did not expect him to get such a low score, which means they didn't think he was actually that uneducated, which would be the oppositte of the racism being accused because most people actually thought this young black man was smarter than the rumor. anyone claiming racism to the reaction is being dishonst and isn't evaluating the complexities of the reaction and simply spewing a hateful agenda. if this was a racism issue, nobody would have been surprised by the score. they would have expected it. I don't see how anyone claiming racism can validate that position with empirical evidence of anyone claiming he was uneducated and this score only reinforces that. the reaction was simply that a score this low borderlines on illiteracy. that comment is not race specific.
I would have to respectfully disagree with you, JetBlue. People in general like to gloat when they are right. Now I haven't went back and examined the original thread post by post, but the impression I got from reading it was that most of the posts were made by individuals who did not think Vince Young was a good prospect in the first place, and saw the score as validation of their beliefs. That's why there were so many posts. It wasn't because they were surprised. If people were surprised, there would have been many posts expressing disbelief and questioning the validity of the claim, especially considering the source was PFT, which has a history of being unreliable. However, when I read the thread, I saw very few posts doubting the truth of the claim. Now regarding the race issue, I realize that we would all like to believe in the best in people, that we all view each person individually with an open mind without any stereotyes, but that just isn't true. Whether we like to admit it or not, when evaluating a person, each one of us harbors certain preconceptions based on factors such as ethnicity, socioeconomic background, etc. Now, these preconceptions might very well even be subconscious but they're still there, and I think they certainly played a role in many people's willingness to believe that Vince Young indeed scored a 6 on the Wonderlic test.
http://www.angelfire.com/fl3/existence/wonderlic.html If this is true - Vince Young must Actually be Carl from sling blade?MMMMMM-HMMMMMM That link will take you to a sample ? I went 9 for 9 on the sample in about a minute and a half. Not only would I not want someone who could only manage 6/50 of those dumb ass questions on my team ? I wouldn?t want them driving on the same highway as me?
We have a winner!! With no connections to the combine, not even in the area, they are the people to break this story? There are people working for NFL teams inside the combine that didn't hear about it until PFT. KingChadwick, where exactly did you hear that that was the order this all occured? Is that not the story that PFT told in it's retraction, meaning the story that would be the most beneficial from their standpoint? What I know is this: 1. PFT released the story BEFORE tests were graded. 2. PFT based it off of what they heard from one supposed source. 3. PFT retracted this statement, and tried to explain why they weren't at fault. Do people honestly think that they scored Young's test, RELEASED IT TO ALL TEAMS, then said, "Hey, that looks funny, maybe we should recheck it"?? Are you joking? This is a test that will have an effect on these kid's lives, and you think they just check them once and let them go? 7th grade teachers check their student's pop math quizzes more than once before they hand them back, but combine testers give it a lackluster once over?
I agree with this, the quick trigger to blast Young shows who doesn't like him, and it also shows that people just want a reason to bury the kid and label him the next bust.
If you replaced "Young" with "Cutler", this statement could be made about a lot of people on this board, who have judged him unfairly, as well.
Except they are all multiple choice questions so you can't really guess at some of them (even though technically you could make up something.)
Agains someone posts something misleading. You don't know what his score is. It can be a six or anything else.
Understandable with the fact that we have no idea who the Jets are planning to pick, and considering how split the board is, with about 35% liking Cutler, 35% likes Ferguson, 25% liking a RB, and 5% liking a defense, things will probably get ugly before the draft comes, with people locking on their idea, all with reasonable arguments, everyone things they are right, and everyone opposing them are wrong, things will get worse before it gets better. My opinion is we need to trade down but if we don't I'll happily eat my crow hoping I am wrong, just like how I assume you would do the same thing if the opposite happens. :wink:
that's a valid point. the main thing is that those posters probably simply disliked him for reasons other than his race, and the low score only furthered their own agenda against him, which again probably had nothing to do with race.
WHAT? Incorrectomundo, and to the nth degree. Yes, Young's score WAS graded. Apparently, incorrectly..... but..... If you saw Jilizzo's post, the NFL would do what they can/could to hide the details of such a pathetic score. The test WAS graded.... and because it was so low, it got leaked. The official results don't get released to the NFL teams until later this week. So, the test WAS graded, that info leaked, and now, we hear that there was "some" mistake made. You wanna tell me how a professional from Wonderlic could possibly screw up THIS badly when grading a multiple choice test? Only an incorrect answer key could explain this. I suspect this is the reason why they will recheck all of the athletes that were in this test group. This whole situation will be questioned for a long time.... because we will never know what really happened. Personally, I just don't think Young is that stupid.... it doesn't wash. He doesn't strike me as the sharpest knife in the drawer, but funtionally illiterate? That is hard to believe. Before (too late) people go off on this..... PFT did have the story right.... Young DID get a grade of six. This was also reported by several other sources. I understand that PFT gets some stories wrong, but I've always seen them make the needed corrections. That is the risk a media site takes when they want to be the first to break a story. They made it QUITE clear, up front, that it was from ONE source. When they got confirmation from another source, they reported that as well. Then, other media outlets reported the same thing. Now, they are reporting that "some" error may have occured. If there is a questionable resolution of this matter, they will also report that. Personally, I'm glad they are around, given how many of the things they report on go unreported elsewhere. I just take their early stories with a grain of salt, and that is pretty much what they expect from their readers.
