Mangini had very comparable results to Shurmur, Chudzinkski and Mike Pettine in Cle, while being much less likeable in the process. Painting over murals, ostracizing player alumni, clashing with veterans, paranoid and defensive with media, all for 5 win results... That's pretty terrible.
I’m going to be an optimist here. Initial indications are that he has learned from his mistakes. He brought in a great DC to be “head coach of the defense”, which I assume means that he’ll pretty much stay out of Williams’ way. He helped bring in a guy who may become a solid GM, rather than becoming GM himself. He took time building what looks like a pretty solid coaching staff. He seems have cleared much of the plate he held in Miami, so he can focus on Darnold and the offense. I think in Miami he was somewhat overwhelmed and split in too many different directions. In Miami, he also had a crappy QB and was beset by a string of major injuries his last 2 years there. I think he’ll be successful and turn the jets around.
Yet by comparison it wasn't terrible at all. Perhaps Cleveland's real problem was their roster sucked. Amazingly they started to win last year when it didn't suck.
How do you figure that? It was almost identically terrible results to other terrible head coaches. And at least those coaches weren't despised while there. Cleveland was a tough place to win no doubt, but Mangini's tenure there was an unmitigated disaster.
Did Gase really hand pick Gregg Williams and Boyer though, or was he even the one who brought them on? Based on reports from other HC candidates, the Jets FO and ownership seemed to have a short list of coordinators they wanted to hire. I think Gase went along with that in order to land the HC gig. I'd actually be surprised if the entire coaching staff is still in tact by the end of the year, as it has the makings of a combustible situation. If they all make it through the year working well together, that would give me a little more confidence in Gase.
He couldn't handle big personalities in Miami. Though, I think Jarvis Landry is an absolute closet drama-queen, you have to handle players that wear their hearts on their sleeve. Adams isn't a drama-queen, and I think he has a far more sensible approach, but if things aren't going well and the O isn't putting up points, I hope Gase doesn't shy away from anyone and works with them. Oh and his play-calling MUST improve.
How was it a disaster? He came to a deteriorating team that needed a complete overhaul. He was attempting to change the culture and was fired before it could be changed. They went on to suck for years. In retrospect, he may have been right. We simply don't know. At the time the Packers were winning Lombardi was hated. It was in retrospect after the fact that players started to love him. We heard the same nonsense out of the Giants when they hired Coughlin. The players hated him until they won with him. Mangini did a good job with the Jets. He was fired because Brett Favre got hurt and tanked the back side of the season. The first draft brought in Ferguson, Mangold, Clemens, Brad Smith and Leon Washington, His second draft brought in Revis and David Harris along with a nice player in Chanci Stuckey. The 2008 draft was mostly a bust with the exception of Keller. Overall he did a good job and set up the Jets for immediate success.
Landry, Ajayi, Jordan Phillips, Ja'Wuan James, Reshad Jones, Suh, Wake, Stills......there's more than just a little smoke there. It seems players had a difficult time seeing eye to crazy eye with Gase. That's why I was drawing the Mangini comparison. If guys are not buying in to what you are selling, and the team is quitting on you, you have to adapt and find a way to inspire. Mangini was unable to do this. We'll see how Gase responds with his new opportunity.
How was it a disaster? You have got to be kidding me. He won 5 games a year, while alienating the fan base, ex players, current players, the media, etc.. I don't think I've ever heard someone try to defend the joke of a job Mangini did in Cleveland. He was bad here, the team quit on him two years running, but he doubled down into a disaster there. There is a reason he can't even get a coordinator job anywhere.
Some of the players spoke very highly of Gase, like Stills. He became a better player under Gase. Hopefully Gase takes a book from Coughlin and learns to trust his players more.
Allegedly, a bunch of players including Stills spoke to Ross about getting rid of Gase. They did not want him there.
He took a crappy Jets team to the playoffs. He drafted the backbone of two Jets AFC championship runs. He had us in position for a home field playoff game before Favre got hurt. He took over a disaster Cleveland team and after they fired him they were a disaster for years. He was arguably the best coach they have had in 10 years. The Browns franchise was a joke before and after Mangini arrived. I'm not defending him at all. You just completely ignore the fact that he got a chance at a very young age with two historically bad franchises with historically bad owners and wasn't successful in turning them around. You make the same dumb argument with Gase. Gase lead a crappy Miami team to the playoffs with Tannenhill at QB. He took bad rosters without a QB to bad records. Players complaining because the coach is trying to instill some discipline has been going on since the beginning of time. It's meaningless drivel.
Yeah, I knew that about Landry and Phillips, but not Stills. Stills still had his best run as a pro under Gase. Landry is a closet diva like I said before, allegedly wasn't into the playbook and ran his own routes. Also asked for an insane amount of money.
1. Pissing off the media isnt a mistake that has to change in order to win. Imaginary fan nonsense. He famously pissed off 3 players. Ajayi who had a rep for giving the HC shit and was tossed aside only to do absolutely nothing. Landry, who argued he was the NFLs best WR and wanted to be paid as such. Gone, allowing Cleveland to treat his the best. Paid as the top of the heap, 3rd option at WR by seasons end. And another RB who outwardly argued through the press that he should get more touches. Yeah, those need to be fixed. 2. Unbalanced focus on the offense? What does that even mean. He hired a top DC here, he had an effective D in Miami that seemed to be improved each year. 3. In year 3 he had a team, forced to play a terrible and ineffective Osweiler at QB and in week 16 had his undermanned team fighting for the playoffs after ridding the team of problem players.. Couldnt have been too many poor decisions there.
is there any Jets player or coach or front office decisionmaker that you will criticize?.....ever? I was giving my take on the mistakes Adam Gase made in Miami. You don't think he made any mistakes? Of course he made mistakes... he was fired
Yes, when its valid. YOU on the other hand take the easy way out by criticizing everyone, everytime in every situation. When theres good reason it should be done. Funny how that works when the coach who brought you in and used you the way you wanted to be used is gone and he new HC asks you to take a different role. Some embrace it, others whine and cry. Especially after he's surprisingly let go. We'll see, right now all the Jets are firmly in Gases corner
When theres something to complain about, a player to complain about yes. Then theres your approach. Complain, moan and whine about every player, every coach, every decision maker on the team. Every time and every situation. Lazy mans approach. Mindless in its simplicity. Was Gase a total success? .500 isnt success in anyone mind. But, all .500 records arent the same. Get to that % with a loaded team, you suck as a HC. Get there with a flawed team and roster, without your starting QB ( who was like 10-1 in first when hes injured) its not anywhere near as bad. Just takes thought and understanding, nowhere near as easy as that lazy approach you favor. Just as it does to come up with actual problems that need to be overcome, not nonsense that has nothing to do with Ws & Ls. Or to attempt to tell us how I'm wrong, how not letting the media control you and your team leads to losses and has to be overcome. As you said, if hes learned, LOL. Or how about the unbalanced defense whatever nonsensical line that you just assume happened because hes known for his offense. Because its dead wrong, they were a good D team under his watch, not a D that was so far off from the offense. But hey, maybe hes learned and can hopefully fix that. Another LOL moment. Along with the idea that if a dumb owner fires someone, and this owner is dumb as balls, then he needs to fix something. Even if the firing shocked everyone down here, still has people asking why he was fired. Still has plenty questioning it, feeling that he wasnt fired because of his coaching. SO beat your chest, youre so detailed in your criticisms of everyone
Says the owner who had to answer a lot of questions about a last minute firing that had everyone down here baffled.
