You are Joe Douglas. Tell me what you would do this offseason.

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  1. BlackJets

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    Sign both thunley and Scheff
    Draft either Becton or Thomas at 11
    Draft Pittman Jr in the second
    Let Anderson go
    Cut Williamson, Johnson and Winters
     
  2. NCJetsfan

    NCJetsfan Well-Known Member

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    Following is a very interesting article about how Joe Douglas should go about this offseason and building the Jets. It contradicts what many of us have been advocating. I'll be curious to see your comments.

    http://turnonthejets.com/2020/01/new-york-jets-roster-building-lessons-from-2019-super-bowl-teams/

    New York Jets – Roster Building Lessons From 2019 Super Bowl Teams

    James Kuntz on what the New York Jets can learn from this year’s Super Bowl teams

    AuthorJames Kuntz
    Posted onJanuary 25, 2020

    As Jets General Manager Joe Douglas enters his first full offseason with the team, it is worth examining the two best teams in the NFL this season, and how their programs were built.


    INVEST IN OT EARLY IN THE DRAFT

    The most important lesson in team-building to be taken from the Niners and Chiefs is that it is imperative to invest in Offensive Tackle (OT) early in the Draft. The starting OTs on the Niners and Chiefs are all former top-40 picks: Joe Staley was selected 28th overall in 2007, Mitchell Schwartz was taken 37th overall in 2012, Eric Fisher was the 1st overall pick in 2013, and Mike McGlinchey was selected 9th overall in 2018.

    Three of these four players were drafted by the team they are currently on, while Schwartz was originally drafted by the Browns and signed to a record-breaking contract (at the time) with the Chiefs in free agency. In the case of Fisher, one can quibble with whether he deserved to be the first pick, but one thing is clear: Fisher has provided stability at Left Tackle for seven seasons so far and has been a cornerstone of the Chiefs offense. This season, Fisher allowed 1 sack in 8 games started, while his counterpart on the other side, Schwartz, allowed 0 sacks in 16 games started. The 49ers’ OTs have similarly impressive numbers: McGlinchey allowed 5 sacks in 8 games and Staley allowed 1 sack in 7 games started.

    For Joe Douglas, who has reiterated his belief in building through the trenches many times, this offseason provides an opportunity to use both of the methods that this year’s championship contenders employed in order to bolster the Jets’ OT play. Looking towards free agency, there are two high quality OTs that Jets fans have discussed signing: Anthony Castonzo of the Colts and Jack Conklin of the Titans.

    Interestingly, there’s a widespread misconception that Castonzo will actually test the open market. According to local reporting, Castonzo will either re-sign with the Colts or retire after this season, so he should not be relied on as a free agent option for the Jets. Conklin, on the other hand, looks like he will hit the open market and command a high price. Given the fact that good players generally reset market records for their position when they hit free agency, it would not be a surprise to see Conklin get a long-term deal of more than $15 million per year (the current highest paid OT is Lane Johnson at $18 million per year). Regardless of whether Douglas makes a run at Conklin in free agency, I think he should definitely draft an OT at 11.

    The current perception of the Offensive Tackle class, of three top OTs and then a big drop-off in talent, will likely change given the ascendance of Mekhi Becton (OT, Louisville). Although I’m no seer, it is conceivable than in a few months, after Becton dominates at the combine, the perception of the OT class will shift from a top tier of 3 OTs to one that includes Becton. Having watched his tape against Clemson, Notre Dame, and Wake Forest, I can tell you that he probably has the highest ceiling of any OT in this class.

    Regardless, there are numerous ways in which Douglas can follow the blueprint set out by the Niners and Chiefs, the only question is: will he do so?

    INTERIOR OFFENSIVE LINE PLAYERS ARE INTERCHANGEABLE

    Although the 49ers and Chiefs demonstrate the necessity of investing in OT play, they also show that interior offensive line (IOL) players are relatively insignificant in a functioning offense. If one were to look at the salaries of the Chiefs and Titans’ starting IOL players, one would notice that each team has one well-paid starter and two cheap depth pieces:

    CHIEFS:

    LG – Laurent Duvernay-Tardif ($8.5 million per year)

    C – Austin Reiter ($2.25 million per year) *

    RG – Stefan Wisniewski ($900,000 pear year) *

    Total – $11.65 million

    49ERS:

    LG – Laken Tomlinson ($6 million per year)

    C – Ben Garland ($805,000 per year) *

    RG – Mike Person ($2.75 million per year)

    Total – $9.555 million

    denotes a player who started the 2019 season as a backup

    It is important to understand how little the Chiefs and 49ers spend on IOL in the midst of debates among Jets fans about paying IOL players like Joe Thuney and Bandon Scherff $10-15 million in free agency. The reality is that good tackle play is rare, but good IOL play is not.

    A TIGHT END IS A QB’S BEST FRIEND

    It’s no coincidence that the Chiefs and the 49ers, the two best teams in the NFL, have two of the best tight ends in the NFL. Although the 49ers use George Kittle primarily as a run blocker, while the Chiefs use Travis Kelce mainly as a pass catcher, both tight ends have dual-threat capabilities (catching and blocking). Having a good tight end is important because he provides a large, reliable target for a quarterback. Especially for inexperienced quarterbacks (like Mahomes and Garoppolo), a tight end can serve as a safety blanket and check down.

    Fortunately for the Jets, Chris Herndon, despite a disappointing and injury-riddled sophomore season, is a promising candidate to fill this role. Herndon is a capable blocker and pass catcher, and seemed to have a strong rapport with Darnold. Jets fans should have confidence that Herndon can step into this role and be a contributor to the offense year-in, year-out.

    DOMINANT PASS RUSH

    Gregg Williams has received a lot of praise this season for the Jets run defense, which is the second best in the NFL according to Football Outsiders. However, having a good run defense is significantly less valuable than having a good pass defense. Out of the top ten run defenses in the NFL, only 4 made the playoffs; on the other hand, out of the top ten pass defenses in the NFL, 7 made the playoffs. This is not to diminish the work that Williams has done with the Jets defense–he has done a fantastic job, but the new Jets front office must start to bring in pass rushers, particularly EDGE rushers, through sustainable methods such as the draft. Adding an EDGE rusher with a mid-round pick this year (think: Jon Greenard, Bradley Annae, Josh Uche, Zack Baun, Kenny Willekes, etc) would go along way to bolster the Jets pass rush in a cap-responsible way. This is something that Douglas must address this offseason, and I think it’s more likely that he invests a mid-round pick in EDGE, instead of signing a big ticket free agent such as Yannick Ngakoue or Shaq Barrett (assuming one even hits the market).

    Takeaways: Although the Chiefs and 49ers have had different paths to the Super Bowl, they share a few key commonalities that Jets’ GM Joe Douglas must do his best to replicate. Both teams have dedicated premium picks as well as cap space to OT. Both teams value IOL play significantly less than other teams in the league, but manage to win a lot of games (which suggests that IOL play isn’t that important). Both teams have a dynamic tight end and, lastly, both teams can pressure the quarterback. Joe Douglas has a large task ahead of him; he likely won’t fill each of these needs during this coming offseason, but if the Jets manage to find a modicum of success in the future, it will have been because he followed this blueprint set out by the league’s two best teams.
     
  3. joe

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    whoa, whoa, whoa.....Pittman fine but not in the 2nd.
     
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    You’re right - very interesting. Particularly the part about the interior line being interchangeable. Using that scenario I can see JD perhaps signing one guard in FA and then relying on Lewis for the other spot? Maybe drafting a center ( Not Biadasz ) in the mid rounds and have him on a rookie contract.

    I think as far as EDGE goes he’ll be drafting one in the mid rounds but I always figured that. OT, WR, and CB are just as pressing with OT being the #1 need. There are just so many holes .....

    Thanks for posting...
     
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  5. J-Raw24

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    Makes some sense. We have winters as a well paid IOL. But he's not worth what we pay. I could see getting one in fa and drafting 2 for the other spots. Also Lewis and/or Edoga could fill some. But it does bring up a good point. He is off on some of his figuring, Trent Brown is making 18 million playing rt for oakland. Conklin could demand near that, depends on his agent mostly. It's a great look from another point of view. I would be ok with Becton if he continues to rise. Also he has to figure in the lack or wr talent and corners. We have big holes but I hope o line is top priority.
     
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  6. Zach

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    Before I forget:

    1. Indeed Interior OLs can be had for cheap even through FA. If they are in 27~29 yr range, there's no reason not to bring them in.
    2. That said: Jets need UDFAs. Yes. Shit ton of them. Jets need to sign 100 UDFAs if they need to. Jets need to bolster special teams, OL, LBs, DBs, WRs, TEs and RBs through UDFA. Hey, you never know.
     
  7. NCJetsfan

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    In typical NY-area media coverage of the Jets, this article has a misleading title. It says it's NFL Rumors, but then it's clear that it's a list of players the writer thinks the Jets should prioritize (and in his order) in FA. Many of the names we've spoken about here, but there are a few new ones.

    https://www.nj.com/jets/2020/01/nfl...need-should-joe-douglas-prioritize-first.html

    NFL rumors: Ranking Jets’ top 20 free agent targets | Which need should Joe Douglas prioritize first?
    Today 5:19 AM

    By Matt Stypulkoski | NJ Advance Media for NJ.com
    Joe Douglas has a lot on his plate this offseason.

    The Jets’ roster is well short of the requisite talent needed for a playoff push, let alone truly contending for championships. So the general manager has his hands full this offseason, as he attempts to push the Jets in that proper direction.

    Four needs are clearly his biggest: Offensive line, wide receiver, edge rusher and cornerback. The Jets could use some other upgrades, too, but those are easily the weakest spots, in no particular order.

    But when push comes to shove in March, Douglas is going to have to decide which positions and which free agents to put at the top of his wish list.

    Here’s a look at the top 20 players Douglas should target, in order from most important to least. Obviously, he can’t chase all of them. And if Douglas lands a couple of his top targets, he’ll likely have to supplement the other positions of need with more under-the-radar talents to comply with the salary cap.

    But, entering free agency, this is how Douglas’ initial wish list should look:

    1. EDGE Yannick Ngakoue, Jaguars
    The Jets are almost certainly going to miss out on the two elite edge rushers – Chase Young and A.J. Epenesa – in the draft, which puts a premium on finding one in free agency. So, expect to see a lot of edge rushers on this list as a result. Ngakoue is one of a few elite edge players available, but most importantly he’s also the youngest. He’s currently 24, which means he still has a ton of tread on the tires and could stick around for quite a while. That has to be enticing for the Jets.

    2. OT Jack Conklin, Titans
    Yes, the Jets can likely find a starting tackle with the No. 11 pick. But in reality, they need two starting tackles – and protecting quarterback Sam Darnold has to be a priority. Signing Conklin would shore up the right tackle spot and leave Douglas just one draft pick away from cementing his two exterior line slots for several years to come.

    3. WR Amari Cooper, Cowboys
    The only reason Cooper fell this far is because this year’s NFL Draft is loaded with top-end wide receivers. That said, none of those prospects are sure things. Cooper is. He’s proven to be an elite No. 1 target, which is exactly what Darnold needs – once his protection is solidified, at least. The only bummer is Cooper may get franchise tagged and never make it to the open market.

    4. CB Logan Ryan, Titans
    Cornerback falls in the same category as edge rusher – the Jets need a legitimate one, but are unlikely to find one in the first round. So, again, it should be a free-agency priority. Ryan is appealing because he’s a jack-of-all-trades who can get it done in coverage and around the line of scrimmage, which gives defensive coordinator Gregg Williams plenty of options.

    5. G Joe Thuney, Patriots
    We already mentioned the Jets’ need for tackles. Well, they need guards, too. And this year’s guard draft class isn’t all that great. They could find one in the middle rounds, but that’s always a bit risky. Thuney is a known quantity and would be a two-for-one, given it hurts the Pats and helps the Jets.

    6. CB Byron Jones, Cowboys
    Here’s where we get back to those top two free-agent priorities (cornerback and edge rusher) in a big way. Jones is second on this list because he’s an athletic freak and still pretty young to boot.

    7. EDGE Matthew Judon, Ravens
    Judon gets the nod over some other edge rushers with more eye-popping numbers because of his remarkable consistency. He’s reliably posted sacks in all of his past three seasons. That sounds more appealing than a boom-or-bust guy.

    8. EDGE Bud Dupree, Steelers
    Dupree broke out in a big way this season, posting 11.5 sacks. But it didn’t totally come out of nowhere, which is reassuring; he tallied between four and six sacks in each of his first four years. There’s a little risk that he’ll regress toward the mean, but at least the floor on his potential is relatively stable.

    9. CB James Bradberry, Panthers
    Bradberry is another prime franchise-tag candidate. Why wouldn’t he be? He’s 26 and he has the hand technique, quickness and athleticism necessary to excel in this league.

    10. EDGE Jadeveon Clowney, Seahawks
    Clowney is the biggest name among the edge rushing options, but he’s also likely to command the biggest price tag. The Jets have to throw some money around at this position, sure, but his blockbuster deal might be a bit too lucrative to be worthwhile.

    11. OT D.J. Humphries, Cardinals
    There are a handful of strong right tackle options available, but Humphries leads a relatively lackluster left tackle class. So if Douglas isn’t quite sure he’ll actually scoop up a left tackle in the first round, then he might be wise to take a big run at Humphries to help lock up that position.

    12. WR A.J. Green, Bengals
    Helping Darnold has to be toward the top of Douglas’ overall offseason priorities. The first few picks in the draft should certainly lean in that direction, given the wealth of offensive talent available. But that doesn’t mean ignoring the offense in March. Green could give Darnold the No. 1 target he needs, too, but health is a very serious risk with Green, who has played basically one half season in the last two years.

    13. G Brandon Scherff, Redskins
    Again, this isn’t a great college guard class, so Douglas may want to pursue that position earlier than later. Scherff has been one of the few bright spots on an otherwise bad Redskins team. He was healthy for his first three NFL seasons, but played just 19 games over the past two years. That’s a potential cause for concern.

    14. EDGE Shaq Barrett, Buccaneers
    Barrett was absolutely unbelievable en route to 19.5 sacks in 2019 – and that’s part of the problem. That number is awe-inspiring, but can the Jets really trust him to be a consistently strong pass rusher? He tallied just 14 sacks through his first five seasons. This year’s stats are going to earn Barrett a massive contract, but that’s going to be a massive risk for whoever takes it. There are safer options available.

    15. CB Chris Harris Jr., Broncos
    Let’s repeat this again: The Jets have to find at least one starting cornerback in free agency, since they’re highly unlikely to find one in the draft – and need two new starters (at least) at the position. Harris has the ability to play inside or outside, which could come in handy if Brian Poole decides to leave in free agency.

    16. EDGE Arik Armstead, 49ers
    Armstead didn’t do a whole lot over his first four seasons before busting out with 10 sacks this year. He’s basically a light version of Barrett in that regard.

    17. CB Bradley Roby, Texans
    The. Jets. Must. Sign. A. Starting. Cornerback. Roby shouldn’t be their top choice, but he has to be an option on the board. He’s a proven guy with a solid-enough track record, plus some versatility to boot.

    18. WR Emmanuel Sanders, 49ers
    The Jets could certainly use Sanders’ help, especially if both Robby Anderson and Demaryius Thomas leave. But a 32-year-old wide receiver can’t be a top target, especially when the draft is swimming with legitimate starting options throughout the first few rounds. And if the 2019 class taught us anything, it’s that you can find some bona fide stars at wideout into Day Two.

    19. OT Anthony Castonzo, Colts
    Conklin is a better right tackle option, given he’s 25 and Castonzo is 31. But Douglas does need to fill at least one tackle spot prior to the draft, so the nine-year veteran would be a good fallback.

    20. WR Randall Cobb, Cowboys
    Cobb falls into the same boat as Sanders. The Jets could certainly use him, but he should be a secondary option if they can’t get some of the bigger and better names.
     
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  8. NCJetsfan

    NCJetsfan Well-Known Member

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    My take on the article above is as follows.

    For starters, I don't envy Joe Douglas this offseason. He has a great opportunity to make a name for himself and really help the Jets, but he has 7 glaring needs that are pretty equal: LT, RT, Edge Rusher, Center, CB, WR and OG. Almost any player he signs in FA or drafts at those positions will help the team. Unless Douglas plans on making a run at Cooper if he hits FA, or is content signing a 2nd or 3rd tier WR, I think we can probably forget WR in FA, unless we don't re-sign Anderson. In that case, we would need to sign a proven vet. We couldn't go with Crowder, 2 rookie WRs, Vyncint Smith and Braxton Berrios at WR. With the draft being so good and deep at WR, I think we will draft at least one, if not two.

    That leaves the other 6. While there could be a pretty strong FA class at RT, it's easier to find a RT in the draft than it is an LT, and RT is less important, so we can possibly skip that in FA. That leaves us with 5 positions to hopefully address in FA.

    With regards to the article above, IMO Clowney, Green, Barrett, and Armistead shouldn't even be on the list. Clowney will quite likely be the highest-paid FA, and his pass rush production doesn't merit that. Ngakoue could get a bigger contract, but at least he's younger, healthier, and better as a pass rusher. Green shouldn't be on the list due to health concerns. He'll probably cost more than even an inflated Richie Anderson contract. While Green is a much better WR, that won't help if he stays injured and can't play. Barrett could be a one-year flash in the pan, and he's going to look for a huge pay day. We probably can't even afford Ngakoue, but it's nice to dream about adding him. Armistead is a DE. We need to have an edge rusher who can play OLB in a 3-4 alignment and DE in a 4-3, and Armistead is too big to play OLB. I think it's unlikely that SF will let him hit FA anyway.

    While edge rusher is a big need, imo the LT position should be the #1 priority. First and foremost, I think Douglas needs to have an LT signed entering the draft. He either needs to re-sign Beacham, or target Castonzo or Humphries. Sam's blindside must be protected. Even if the Jets wind up getting an OT in the 1st round, he can always play RT for a season or two. The reverse isn't true. He can't sign a RT in FA and then have to draft an LT and hope he will be good enough day one. In addition, unless the Titans have soured on Conklin for some reason, I can't see why he would make it to FA or why he would want to leave a team that went deep into the playoffs. The author also seems to say that he thinks Conklin is better than Castonzo. I disagree with that notion, but Castonzo is older, will probably cost more than Conklin, and I read an article within the last couple of days that said that Castonzo might retire.

    I think edge rusher will have to be priority #2a. I think C and OG are higher priorities in the grand scheme of things, but I think the demand for edge rushers will be so strong, that Douglas will have to make this his 2nd priority over C and OG. If he makes it to FA, I think Matthew Judon is our best option at edge. He can set the edge, is a very good all-around player, and is consistent. He also won't be so expensive that he will prevent Douglas from signing help on the OL and CB positions.

    IMO priority #2b is Center unless Douglas doesn't think there is a FA worth signing or if there's a center or two in the draft he really likes and thinks the Jets can get. If either is the case, then OG (#2c) is next most important. We have to protect Sam and be able to move the ball on the ground. Also, since it's not a particularly strong draft for OGs, I think Douglas needs to sign a starting OG in FA. I've always thought it wasn't necessary to pay huge salaries to all 3 IOL, and the article by James Kunz that is posted above just strengthened that belief. I can see trying to sign one of Thuney and Scherff to start at one OG spot and Alex Lewis will start at the other. Scherff is better than Thuney, but is also older and has struggled with injuries. Signing Thuney could hurt the Patriots, but is he like other Patriots' players who go to other teams and don't play nearly as well? There may be a question if he would even want to sign with the Jets.

    Because the offense has been neglected for so long, I think CB has to fall to the 5th highest priority. Similar to Conklin, I don't know why Logan Ryan would hit FA unless he just wants to or the Titans have cap space issues, but if he does he would make a great addition. The problem is his cost. He likely will sign a big deal. He is from Berlin, NJ and played in college at Rutgers, so he may want to "come home" to finish his career, but he may not care about that. I think it pretty likely that Byron Jones and James Bradberry will get offered more than the Jets can afford to pay, so we may have to settle for signing a Bradley Roby-type, drafting a CB in round 2-4, and then letting those two and Bless Austin battle it out for the two starting positions. Hopefully, Poole will be back, but if not, then we definitely need to sign a slot CB.

    Offseason Needs
    1a - LT (Beacham or Humphries)
    2a - Edge Rusher (Hopefully, Judon)
    2b - Center (if Douglas thinks one of them is worthy and a clear upgrade over Harrison. Possibly Matt Skura or Connor McGovern if either make it to FA)
    2c - OG (Scherff or Thuney, plus a depth signing)
    2d - CB (need a #1 CB to pair with Bless Austin)
    3 - RT (draft)
    4 - RB (backup Bell - hopefully we can draft one 0in the 4th or 5th round)
     
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    After cutting all the guys we all know are gone we should have around $78 mil to spend

    First thing I’m doing is I’m resigning Robbie!! I will admit I’m a little worried about how much it’s going to cost but I’m more worried about taking more weapons away from Sam. I’d use the Transition tag on him so I can match any offer he gets.

    I’m also resigning Beachum, Lewis & Poole. I know Beachum it getting near the end but he is still an average LT and there’s no way I can go into the draft with no LT. Hopefully we can sign all 3 for somewhere in the $20 mil range.

    Then I’m backing up the Brinks truck and Making Yannick Ngakoue a very rich man. And I will not be out bid. We also need a CB. I’d be looking for a mid range corner, someone who can be a consistent starter but not a shutdown guy.


    As for the draft,I’m going into this draft telling myself I need 3 starting O-linemen , a starting WR and at least a situational edge guy.

    Round 1- one of the big 4 LTs.
    Round 2- one of the top WRs there should be several to choose from. Or a top Center Biadasz or Cushenberry
    Round 3 - obviously depending what you did in round 2 but there should be a few edge guys looking into like Darrell Taylor, Nick Coe or Alton Robinson
    Round 3 - well you get the idea

    Round 4-6 there’s a few Guard prospects like Sternburg, Lewis, Throckmorton & Runyon that I like. Plus adding another Wr like Van Jefferson ,Antonio Golden or Lynn Bowden
     
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    I think Ngakoue is going to get a monster contract. That wouldn't leave much to pay Adams, Jenkins, and other current Jets that the team wants to keep (and they have 29 FAs of their own), much less sign a FA OL starter and a CB starter. If you're only re-signing 3 of the 29 Jets' own FAs, you're going to have to sign a bunch of outside players or go with the futures contract players, the PS players from last year, and UDFAs this year. That still won't leave you with a very good team.

    I also don't think one can go into the draft counting on drafting 3 starting OL. IMO that's just not realistic.

    If you've doled out a monster contract to Ngakoue, then why are you drafting an edge rusher? You don't mention Jenkins. Are you not re-signing him? If not, why not? If so, there's no need to draft another edge, especially when we have needs at OL, WR, CB, and RB.
     
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    Signing FA's is a tricky thing. The top players usually don't hit the open market. You risk giving big money to non elite players. I'd like to sign a 2nd tier CB, Edge, and OL who can hold the fort until we find a young replacement in the draft either this year or next year. Knowing Douglas' background, I expect him to select at least 2 OL. I'd like to grab a CB or Edge in rounds 2-4 as FA's don't usually have long shelf lives. None of the FA WR's look appealing, even Cooper has his warts and I'd rather not give him a big contract when we can get a cheaper player in the draft.

    FA: CB, Edge, OL(one of each)

    Draft:
    2 OL
    1 WR
    1 CB/Edge(both would be great, but we need to address the offense)
    1 RB
     
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    Because you don't want to put a center on a first round rookie contract or you don't agree with the polls that show him as the highest rated center? Something else?
     
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    Maybe because Biadasz won't make it to the mid round? Only logical reason I can think of.
     
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    I would try and sign 2 OL and 1 OLB in free agency. Draft 1 OL in the first 3 rounds and take a WR in the first round. CB in the 2nd. RB. If there is a good kicker available I might take a shot at one. The kicker we got now is not reliable. But don't pull a Nugent.
     
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    boozer32 Well-Known Member

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    I'm with you on meathead Winters hitting the streets. Another goof by Macagnan signing him to a 30 million dollar contract when no one else was even looking at him. I like the scenario I bolded 3 OL 2 WR's and RB and CB. If Douglas can hit on that with some solid free agents the Jets would be in a much better position to make some noise. Especially if Brady goes to the Charger or Arizona or just retires. The AFC East could be wide open.
     
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  16. GWjet

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    I think we should obviously resign more than just 3 of our FAs , I just wasn’t going to list them all as none should be starters or should they cost to much. Maulette, DT , Hewitt , Powell , Luvu, Lac Edwards they should all be retained as depth but none should be paid over 3 mil or so.

    I’m not bringing back Jenkins. I think he’s a Jag who gets a lot of lucky sacks and instead of paying him 8-10 mil, I’d rather throw that money at Yannick.

    The O-line is tricky, and your right 3 starters is a lot to ask for but I’m not comfortable throwing a ton of cash at Brandon Scerff. He’s been put on season ending IR the past 2 seasons , that’s a risk I don’t want to take. I do think we’ll have to sign 1 or 2 veteran FAs I just don’t know who. But based on the games I watched this year and aearly scouting reports I’d be OK with a line that looks like this
    LT Wirfs
    LG Lewis
    C Biadasz or Cushenberry
    G Sternburg or Lewis
    RT Beachum or Edoga

    To me corner is really where I don’t have any answers. I can’t see us drafting a starter but I’m not sure who is worth a dam on the FA market
     
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    I find it amazing that these writers are talking about the blueprint for building a team like the Niners are the first team to do it.

    None of this is new, it just goes to show how bad some of these GMs are at their job.

    The Pittsburgh Steelers have been using this blueprint for decades. A third of their team salary is ALWAYS tied up on the offensive line.

    That’s why losing Bell was no big deal, Conner was more productive for them his first full year as a starter than Bell was.

    The biggest piece of the equation is finding the QB.
     
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    FJF 2018 MVP Joe Namath Award Winner

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    You have to switch beachum and wirfs. Beachum is not/ can not play right tackle. Wirfs manning the right side for a season and then moving to left with a year under his belt is a great way to go though.
     
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    Duvernay-Tardif is the 17th highest paid guard (out of 64 starters+depth). Tomlinson is tied for 25th (out of 64 starters+depth).

    Brandon Brooks and Zack Martin are both on perennial playoff contenders and are the top two paid players at the given position. Roger Saffold helped anchor that Titans line and Marshall Yanda rounds out playoff teams in the top ten.

    Good interior offensive lineman are important. Especially when you've went 6+ years without them and you have a third year quarterback. It's no secret that Anthony Castonzo had his best year at age 31 after the Colts drafted Quenton Nelson.

    So I'm not really sure what this article is getting at. Despite the price tag, both SB quarterbacks stand behind brick walls.

    It's way better to get good cheap pickups in free agent or mid round rookie contract guards. But we've forfeited that luxury by ignoring it for so long. We need an impact player on the interior.
     
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    I disagree with you regarding not bringing Jenkins back. He's not an elite pass rusher, but few ever thought he would be. His forte is setting the edge, and he's very good at that. He's a part of why our run defense is so good. He has improved as a pass rusher. Put Ngakoue or even Judon opposite him, and the Jets have a much better pass rush. I doubt the Jets would be able to sign both Ngakoue and Judon, so that would leave either Luvu or Copeland (if you re-sign him) or a rookie playing opposite Ngakoue. That would negate some of Ngakoue's strength.

    As far as potential FA OGs, aside from Scherff (and I agree that he will be risky healthwise and very expensive), there could be Andrus Peat of the Saints, Joe Thuney of the Patriots, and Quinton Spain who was a solid starter for the Titans and then this past season for the Bills. Xavier Su'a-Filo is getting older, but he has been a good OG for years. He may be more of a depth-type piece now, but would be a certain upgrade there, and could still be a good starter for another season or two. He appeared in 11 games for the Cowboys this past season, but only started 4. I'm no OL expert by any stretch of the imagination, but other options might be Graham Glasgow of the Lions, Joe Haeg of the Colts, Parker Ehinger of the Ravens, Tom Cameron of the Saints, and Halapoulivaati Vaiti of the Eagles. There are 48 potential FA OGs and 75 potential FA CBs. It shouldn't be that difficult to find someone better than what we had this past season for either OGs or CBs.

    At CB there could be a number of good options. Ronald Darby, Bradley Roby, Trae Waynes, Byron Jones, Mackensie Alexander, James Bradberry, Kevin Johnson, Ross Cockrell, Mike Hilton, Chris Harris and/or Darqueze Dennard. Any of them would be an upgrade, and some a big upgrade over whom we had starting this year.
     
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