Please quantify that worth in $? I dont think anybody on the board (well maybe a few, Hobbs and NYJunc) want Revis in other colors next year. The real and main issue is worth. Some tems with a better cap situation can value him differently. The Jets can only offer him 11-12 a year based on some bad moves and under-development of high picks.
That's really the only "news" that's popped up about Revis over the last few days, and I thought it was worth a good laugh. I doubt that a few more visits to that page will make any difference. It's not like this guy is getting promoted to Bristol anytime soon. Just look at the comment section.
There are ways the Jets can keep Revis. In any event I am not sure I understand your premise. How does he have less value to the Jets than some other team? And it is my understanding that trading Revis this off season will negatively, not positively, affect the cap by #3mil.
I certainly agree with your general post, especially the last sentence. But I do think there is still hope the Jets can get rid of him. Here's how (at least theoretically, and I start out by acknowledging it may not happen): 1. Assess what his market value is. Whatever that is. (how you do this is not the point right here.) 2. Take that amount and subtract it from his salary next year. 3. Enter into an agreement with a team that is willing to take him at his market value (what that team might be is not the point here). 4. Included as a term of that agreement that the Jets pay (either Sanchez or the other team to pay him) the amount you ended up with at step 2. 5. Once the deal is complete, throw a big fucking party. That's how you do it.
49er fan here....still licking my wounds...lol. Just saw this thread and thought I'd provide some insight from potential trade partner. 1) Bowman? Won't happen. Bowman is a 2 time all-Pro in only his third season and more importantly just signed a long term deal. He's not going anywhere for a long, long time. 2) Trust me...fans all know how good Revis is. Thats why they want their teams to go after him, but some of you aren't being realistic. The ACL is a part of it but the biggest thing that hurts the Jets trade position is that teams know they want to move him and that they know he has only one year left and can't be tagged. Teams will look at him and see that all they are guaranteed is 1 year of a player coming of a torn ACL. I understand you guys being upset about losing a player of that calibre and not getting market value. I guess it would be like losing Patrick Willis for us and then be told you can't really get anything for him. It sucks. I do think it's the right move tho...you get SOMETHING while you can. 3) The 49ers will not take Sanchez. They have their own cap issues and a few free agents (including Dashon Goldson). The only reason they are entertaining the thought of trading Alex is the cap $$$ he is owed, but there is a chance the 49ers actually keep Alex because Kaep is only at around 1.2 million and the CBA won't allow a resigning yet on him. 3) Having said that, I really hope the 49ers look at this. While it appears that some of you would like Alex Smith and some do not, the 49ers currently own 11 picks in the draft and will probably get another 3 more for lost free agents (tho those 3 cannot be traded). They are a fairly deep roster and don't have an opening for 14 rookies. The point being here is that they will be looking to trade some picks..either for players, for better picks, or for picks next year. 4) Some of you are right tho in that I think the Super Bowl put on notice the fact that the 49ers really need to do something in the secondary. This may be too rich for their blood, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if they were players in all this. It makes too much sense. The 49ers are 1 or 2 guys away (and maybe not even that). The Jets are not. The 49ers have ammunition to make a move and they play in the NFC and just played the AFC East this year so the Jets don't need to worry about it coming back to haunt them for quite some time. I'm not sure what that package would be...Baalke (GM) usually doesn't make big splashy moves and tends to sit back and wait for the bargains (Donte Whitner, Carlos Rogers, Mario Manningham, Randy Moss, Trade for Ted Ginn). Then again I was saying the same thing last year before I found out they were making a move for Manning. I guess you never know.
Of course there are ways the Jets can keep Revis, they can field a bunch of Vet min players and un-refined draft picks around him. I don’t think that is what anybody wants to see. There in, he has less value to this team from the front office's vantage point. I could care less if we have the best DB to ever play the game and cant stop the run. I could care less if we have the best DB ever to play the game and can’t score. Both these scenarios make him less valuable to the Jets. To teams like the Packers, Pats, Saints who score often, he could be more valuable as their opponents need to pass to stay in the game. Until the Jets have an Offense that can score regularly, he has less value to this team. That in itself is the true coincidence; all this money invested in a player that has little affect on the game for his team. This teams needs to be built around the offense FIRST... So I will ask again, where do you place his price tag?
What's the talent like in the draft for CB's? If there is a great CB or two coming out teams might choose to take them over Revis
From most reports it seems DeMarcus Milliner is top CB prospect. There's other CB prospects but he seems to be the consensus #1. What's most interesting is that Tennessee Titans pick right after the Jets & it's extremely high probability they will take Millner. So anybody wanting to grab #1 CB prospect should trade up to pick#9 (Jets) or earlier. Teams that need QB should be looking at the Jets. They've got the following: HOF CB, all-time great (with major salary drama). All-Pro #1 CB with more manageable (but still sizable) salary Top CB prospect in the upcoming Draft.
The Jets certainly have CB's to offer teams in need. Ozzie said Rex was going to want CB's when he came here and what Rex has after 4 years here is CB's and not a lot else.
Just to add to the 49ers possibility... I was listening to Joe & Evan yesterday, and Evan was explaining how one of the show's producers likes to tune into the local sports-talk stations of the losing Super Bowl team each year. Evan said the producer tuned into the San Fran stations (not sure which ones exactly), and within minutes, callers were pushing for Revis. According to the producer, the 49ers fans were convinced that if they had had Revis, they would've won the SB because Boldin or Jones (whoever Revis would've been covering) wouldn't have produced much, if anything at all. I'm not in favor of trading for Alex Smith, but I wouldn't rule out the 49ers because they really might be just a Revis away from winning it all. Just some food for thought.
One thing I don't understand is that Rex is a great defensive mind - he knows how to develop CBs, so why tie so much $$$ into that position? Technically it should be one of the cheapest on the team right?
Pretty much. Don't remember where I saw this quote but thought it was great. "Rex has shown us he can drive a car but he's also shown us he can't build one". Hopefully this new GM will put together the parts for Rex to simply coach them up.
The 49ers have a deep team and are in the window right now. They're one of the few teams that could plausibly give up a 1 and a 2 for Revis without being certain they could sign him. It would be an expensive rental if that's what it turned out to be but if they think he's the last piece of the puzzle, well they're one of the few teams that can make that claim.
Plus they've got an insane number of picks. There's no way they can bring all of them onto the roster. I think they'd be willing to trade for Cro (or any other legit #1 CB).
The main reason I would look to trade Revis is if he leaves via free agency after the season, he counts 8 mil against the cap in 2014. Not even in danger of losing him for nothing, in danger of losing him and then getting hurt again.
Yep. If Kaepernick is the real deal - if he's on his way to becoming a top-tier QB - (and I know you and I have disagreed about this in the past, but I'm standing firm on it), then I think they can afford to spend some picks on Revis. Above all else, like you said, they're deep and they're right there, pounding on the door. With that Defense as it already exists, Revis probably gets them over the hump. Replace Culliver's SB performance with the performance that Revis would've had; in that light, it seems like a no-brainer. Lastly, I wouldn't mind and might even prefer acquiring late picks the 49ers have -- as long as Idzik knows the meaning of 'value'.
To be honest guys, I don't see the 49ers giving up a 1 and a 2. It has nothing to do with Revis' value. They just don't really operate that way. I could be wrong, but I just don't see them paying that much. They typically get involved in all big name deals but tap out when the price gets too high. They tried for Nnamdi and I really think one of the reasons Peyton ended up in Denver was that the 49ers were never going to pay him that much money.
While you very well might be accurate about this, I think two, consecutive, heartbreaking losses - one of which was this past Super Bowl - could alter a FO's typical methodology.
