You are a GM...what will you trade for Revis?

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  1. Br4d

    Br4d 2018 Weeb Ewbank Award

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    The Pats won't land Revis. That's not a concern. His demands and compensation levels are antithetical to Belichik's beliefs on how to motivate a team. Only one guy on that team is paid like a god and he's the one guy nobody in the locker room can say a word about because they all know they'd be 10-6 at best if he wasn't playing QB.

    Revis will probably wind up in Washington if he goes on the free agent market. The Redskins are short picks now because of the RGIII trade and Dan Snyder has never been averse to throwing money around like it was confetti, and not to blowing up his cap in the process. Mike Shanihan brought Champ Bailey to Denver and he'll do everything he can to land Revis.
     
  2. 101GangGreen101

    101GangGreen101 2018 Thread of the Year Award Winner

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    If I get can a 2013 first rounder from Cleveland and a 2014 3rd that can turn into a 2nd with certain conditions sign me up. Cleveland or the Rams.

    I would also do Revis for Aldon Smith (try and get a pick) also. Aldon Smith gets the majority of his sacks from Justin Smith beating the shit out of someone, I could see Wilkerson playing that role.
     
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  3. BeastBeach

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    Best roster since Rex got here and the response is to fire the GM? Seems not even Woody/Rex would try to paint as pretty a picture as you are.

    As for Rex being able to negate Brady, how did that go this year without Revis? Not so good right? And you are adamant about trading him so...
     
  4. DHarris52

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    I think people are overhyping the "coming off an injury" aspect to this whole mess.

    Knee injuries aren't what they were 5 years ago...look no further than what Peterson did this year.
     
  5. NotSatoshiNakamoto

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    How do you get a conditional 2013 pick when the draft happens before the season? Did you mix up your years there?
     
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    Haha, I sure did, whoops! Yeah 2 picks from a bad browns team could do it, or Aldon Smith
     
  7. usc1978

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    I would be ecstatic trading Revis and a fourth for Aldon Smith.
     
  8. BeastBeach

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    I'm certain the 49ers realize the impact of a corner vs the impact of a pass rusher just like fans on a message board. They are in the Super Bowl for a reason after all
     
  9. ajax

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    AP is one of the most remarkable players in NFL history when it comes to health and it's impossible to accept him as the norm. What you wanna say is that knee injuries aren't as bad as they used to be or this type of injury heals much faster than before.

    "For this guy to have played as much football as he's played his whole life, and not to have hardly any wear and tear, it's incredible. I've never seen a football player, especially one who runs and cuts as much as he does, with a knee in that condition. It's like a newborn baby".
    source: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap10...maal-charles-amaze-after-severe-knee-injuries

    AP is not like all the others & I'm sure every GM in the league knows it.
     
  10. DHarris52

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    Not necessarily true.

    Jamaal Charles, Willis McGahee, Wes Welker, Tom Brady, AP just to name a few players who bounced back from ACL injuries, and for all intents and purposes, came back stronger than ever.

    Here is a link to a good article in which a few Orthopedic Surgeons talk about the advancements in the procedure in recent years:

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2012/12/06/acl-injuries-adrian-peterson-nfl-minnesota-vikings/1752355/
     
  11. AlToon

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    King is proposing 5 years/$85M for Revi$. How much is guaranteed? Revi$ wants $60M guaranteed. Calvin Johnson got $60M guaranteed. Williams got 6 years/$96M with $50M guaranteed. $16M AAV. $19M signing bonus.

    Here we go, in quick and easy terms via info obtained for a source with knowledge of the contract.

    1. $19 million signing bonus.

    2. $5.9 million fully guaranteed base salary in 2012.

    3. $8 million option bonus in 2013.

    4. $6.5 million base salary in 2013, guaranteed for injury only at the time of signing, fully guaranteed second day of 2013 league year.

    5. $10.6 million roster bonus in 2014, guaranteed for injury only at time of signing.

    6. $1.9 million base salary in 2014.

    7. $1 million roster bonus in 2015.

    8. $12.1 million base salary in 2015.

    9. $2.5 million roster bonus in 2016.

    10. $11.5 million base salary in 2016.

    11. $3.5 million roster bonus in 2017.

    12. $11.4 million base salary in 2017.

    13. $100,000 workout bonus in 2012, with $500,000 workout bonuses in each year from 2013 to 2016.

    13. $400,000 Pro Bowl incentives per year.

    14. $400,000 in additional incentives per year.

    The base value is $96 million. The incentives can push the deal to $100 million.

    At the time of signing, the deal contains fully guaranteed money in the amount of $24.9 million.

    Also, another $17.1 million is guaranteed for injury only at the time of signing; $6.5 million of it becomes fully guaranteed later. It’s unclear whether the $8 million option bonus is fully guaranteed; as a practical matter, it is.

    Given the $10.6 million roster bonus due in 2014, it’s a two-year, $40 million contract with a team-held option on the final four years. More accurately, it’s a two-year contract with a one-year-at-a-time decision by the team as to whether it continues.

    While it’s a significant risk in the short term, the Bills can walk away if it doesn’t work out.

    There’s no reason to think it won’t work out. Still, at a time when the perception is that the Bills handed the keys to the checking account to Williams, the truth is that it wasn’t as reckless as some may think.

    Apart from the $40 million commitment for two seasons of football, which works out to $1.25 million per regular-season game.


    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/17/breaking-down-the-mario-williams-deal/

    The $50 million of guaranteed money in Mario Williams' new deal with the Bills is the most in a contract for a defensive player in NFL history. Lions receiver Calvin Johnson received the richest guarantee with the contract extension he signed one day earlier.

    Most Guaranteed Money, NFL History
    Seasons
    WR Calvin Johnson $60M 2012-19
    QB Sam Bradford $50M 2010-15
    DE/LB Mario Wiliams $50M 2012-17
    QB Tom Brady $48.5M 2011-14
    -- Source: ESPN Business Analyst Andrew Brandt


    http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7690355/buffalo-bills-agree-six-year-deal-mario-williams

    Revi$ wants the richest contract for a defensive player in the history of the NFL.

    Sam Bradford. What were the Rams thinking?
     
  12. AlToon

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    $39.4M of the $96M is in the first 2 years.
     
  13. Catfish Billy

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    Is it really necessary to type out Revidollarsign? You know the NFL. Players needs to maximize their worth when they can because no team is going to hold a player's hand when it's in the team's best interest to cut that player.
     
  14. alleycat9

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    people get real butt hurt when players do stuff that each and every one of us does. we try to maximize our worth and get paid as much as we can. not too many people say no no thats ok i dont want a raise i want to be paid less so that our business can bring in another accountant.

    its the absurdity of sports, these guys are supposed to be loyal at their job even though you are not in your job.
     
  15. AlToon

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    Revi$ signed a new deal in 2010. He plays 2 years under that agreement before he wants another contract. Revi$ wanted a new contract 2 years after getting a new contract. He tweets about Jets nation. Hey asshole,you were not concerned about Jets nation missing all of camp in 2010. The best wrinkle in the new CBA is the rookie contract which prohibits a player needing to complete 3 years of the mandatory 4 years before negotiating a new contract. Too many players in the NFL sign a contract and then the player decides he has outperformed the contract so give me a new one. Revi$ signed the contract in 2010. He should blame his agents if the contract no longer satisfies him. If there wasn't the clause allowing Revi$ to void the last 3 years,he would have held out again last summer.
     
  16. Big Blocker

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    tanny was as responsible as Revis for the holdout, and it has been three years, not two, since he signed a new contract.

    And Tanny also said at the time he knew Revis would need a new contract before the current one expired. Well before. He called it a band aid.

    I don't consider Revis an asshole.
     
  17. usc1978

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    I don't have a problem with any NFL player trying to maximize their income. I hate it when players don't honor their contracts, but it's happened so much over the years, you'd end up hating too many players if you held it against them.

    I'm really concerned that the high dollar amount is going to majorly hurt the market for Revis. I think we might be talking second round pick range. I would love to trade him for someone that consistently pressures the QB. Doesn't have to be on Revis' level, just a guy that forces a QB to throw quickly.
     
  18. wildaces

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    People have the same reaction when the business does the same thing. Revis has every right to work out the best deal possible, however, so does the Jets organization.
     
  19. alleycat9

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    absolutely. just in this case revis has had the upper hand where the teams typically have the upper hand.
     
  20. alleycat9

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    i would say that more than half, probably 75% of contracts that teams sign arent honored. because they arent guaranteed... so if production falls or anything else the team just cuts the guy and moves on, only having to be penalized by whatever was left on his bonus money coming forward.

    this is typical and really the way its done in the league, i cant stand it but thats the way it is. yet the few players who have the clout and the game to push them back a little are labeled by fans who dont give a shit about anything but what they personally want. if you want them to honor their contracts then start guaranteeing them. it amazes me that the union continues to allow it, so the ownership group has you under contract and you must abide by it or be fined and ridiculed, but they can cut you at any time for any reason. and they can only be ridiculed.
     
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