As a trade at face value for what Revis is actually worth, Im not saying its possible but ascenario like that is the only one that makes sense. And you act as if it wouldnt be a fair deal, One season away and people forgot how good revis is, Revis is the best cornerback in NFL history,No one has given Megatron that type of title. There both great players but Revis shutdown Megatron the last time we played them , Revis is the better player
Let me get this right? For the people who want to trade Revis? This is a pass happy league and we have a CB who shut down one side of the field? So we should trade him because he worth to much money? What fucking sense does that make? I guess if we any other our players become great we should trade them also?
I honestly think they'll deal Cromartie before Revis, but we'll see. Anything's possible in this new regime!
To me, those are just Giants fans piling on because we have discussed this at length at the water cooler, and my counterparts all agree this would be a smart move. Obviously we vary on the teams we follow but comments were very positive. As far as leaking the info to prep the fanbase, yes I would have to agree that the seed needs to be planted to lessen the blow if it happens. Imagine if Idzik traded Revis unannounced. You would be furious as would the high majority of Jets fans, and that could effect the teams revenue stream not to mention the revolt fans would have towards the new guy.
when he wants to eat 10 percent of the salary cap,, when a great receiver (you see about two a year) will catch 10 balls? Yeah. Ship his ass out, or make him realize what his position o's worth.we shouldn't be overpaying Mevi$ because Al Davis was nuts. Revis should be happy were paying him decently because Belichick is smart
First of all, WHAT is THE smart move? You don't even know what the Jets could get for Revis. Just trading him for anybody is a smart move??? As far as the fans are concerned, a trial balloon like this will have no benefit if the Jets in fact trade Revis and get poor value for him. In any event my point was that this sounded more like Woody trying to stay in the headlines, and perhaps is making another football decision on his own, without there possibly having been input of any substance from our new GM, who btw was quoted as saying he has not yet had a chance (as of the presser) to consider the roster. We in any event have been debating Revis for several years here. The same arguments have been made on both sides. I frankly think a deal at this point is far more problematic than those who want to trade him think it is. That is partly because his market value is unclear due to lack of knowledge about the progress of his rehabbing. More generally, however, I believe those here who say a shut down corner in this league is only taking out one guy show a stunning lack of knowledge of the game. Rex's whole D is built on the concept that you want to have two cb's who can play man, allowing him to use the other nine in a variety of schemes. Kyle Wilson is not a dependable corner in man coverage. As a result Revis's departure would require that the Jets change out a good part of their current D. In the absence of emphasis on a different philosophy on D, and the means to attain it (meaning without a great pass rusher to depend on), the Jet pass D will suffer. Those here saying the Jets did fine without Revis also show a lack of knowledge about football. The Jets schemed well against the inordinate number of rookie Qb's they played, but also due to lack of scoring by the O, opponents frequently ran the ball. For example while many note the Jets were ranked second in pass D, that is the stat based on total yards. When ypa is considered, they drop to sixth. Still and concededly quite good, but you can see the effect of opponents who were emphasizing the rushing game against the Jets. In total pass attempts the Jets faced, they ranked third (interestingly Kansas City, who had an awful 8 as their ypa, were ranked first. Why? Because they were so frequently behind, opponents had the fewest pass attempts in the league against them, despite getting 8 yards on each attempt when they did pass - says a great deal). Does that mean I am saying the Jets had a poor pass D last year with Revis out? Of course not. But let's not forget the play at safety from Landry and Bell, who both I think it is fair to say exceeded expectations. It is extremely unlikely both Bell and Landry will be back next year. Maybe both will be gone. That needs to also be taken into account in assessing how the pass D will suffer next year if Revis is gone. I quite simply do not think much of Kyle Wilson playing man coverage, and in fact the Jets played much more zone with him starting. They were more successful at that in large part because of Bell and Landry. They won't have that luxury next year.
The cap will be 121 million, if you pay Revis something like 12 mil per, cro is taking up 7 mil in 2013, you're looking at 19 mil, or 15% of the cap. The cap will go up over the years, so that percentage will go down. The question is, in 2013 and 2014 who is going to be worth paying rather than Revis? What are you going to do in 2013, pay Alex Smith big money? lol. Revis contributes on every pass play. He takes out the other teams best WR, and forces QB's to throw at Cro, who is a good CB in his own right or to look at Kyle Wilson. Plus he can be left alone in coverage which frees up the defense to blitz more often. The Jets will get pass rush from Coples and Wilkerson in the future, and we can draft LBs to replace the old and busted guys we have now. The pats can spread the ball around like you mention, but most teams aren't like that. Many of them have one or two decent receiving threats and that is it.
Jets had the ball run on them 495 times this year, average of 30.9 carries per game. Last year was 451, average of 28.2 carries per game. I don't think an extra 3 plays per game being passes then rushes is the reason the Jets pass D put up the numbers it did. I agree there are other factors involved but that part of your logic is a chicken or the egg claim.
The right move obviously depends on what Idzik and Ryan think are realistic goals in 2013. Do you look at an overhaul and clean up the finances and obtain picks and cap room for 2014 or, do you hope they play better then what many expect and find themselves in contention? Revis is not a financial issue but rather a rebuild issue. Lots of holes on that defense next season that need to be filled and having the extra picks helps. On the other hand, losing Landry, Bell, Revis, Scott and Pace is huge and also, whether or not they intend to make Revis a part of their long term plan. Either way, the defense is going to most likely take a step back next year with him and a very large step back without him. Obviously the question is Revis more valuable playing one year in NY then no guarantee after or is he more valuable by acquiring picks for the future?
If we plan more than one year in advance, we can look at 2014 and realize that we can sign Revis and still be in good cap shape by then. http://nyjetscap.com/salary14.html By 2014 we can have Sanchez off the books. Cro costs 10 mill in 2014, and obviously if you can get Revis for about 2-3 mil more, why not and trade cro this year instead and get cap relief? Revis is that much better than cro. Futhermore Holmes can be cut for an 8 mil in cap relief in 2014, and harris for 5 mil. If the Jets can commit to a 2 year plan, they can keep Revis and plan on getting rid of the trash (or at least the overpaid players) in 2014. Assuming you cut Sanchez, Harris, Homes and Scott by 2014, the Jets have only 60 mil committed to players then. Yes, there are a lot of holes that have to be filled (and will be filled) this season but you can easily afford Revis and some young players and a free agent or two at that point.
revis does not shutdown one side of the field, he shuts down one player. that isn't very valuable on passing sets with 4 or more receiving options. a dominant pass rusher is more valuable than a dominant corner.
Dominant pass rushers can be double teamed, and dominant pass rushers do not grow on trees. Getting a 1 for a Revis then drafting a pass rusher doesn't mean we're actually going to get one on par with Revis. Teams that want to go 4 wide can throw to their inside receivers against Kyle Wilson, and risk them getting blown up by Landry (who we also hopefully bring back)
Let me first make it clear I do NOT want the Jets to trade Revis.....with guys like Sanchez, Holmes, Scott, Pace, Tebow, Smith, etc coming off the books within the next year or two, cap space will work itself out......especially for a Top 5-10 Player overall in the league. However, IF the Jets trade Revis ..... They better resign Laron Landry to a long term deal. If they trade Revis and end up not resigning Landry I will be really really pissed off. Sent from my LG-P999
First of all, I never said it was THE REASON meaning the only reason. I also mentioned, which you did not, the presence of Landry and Bell. And the inordinate number of rookie Qb's the Jets faced. I should also have added Cromartie's Pro Bowl year and team MVP. But on the plays per game part, the Jet D in 2012 faced 1019 plays from scrimmage, while the 2011 D faced 993. In short the 12 D faced a higher PERCENTAGE of pass attempts than the 11 D did, which is counterintuitive when one considers how often the 12 D was facing an opponent who was ahead in the score. But more generally, I did not say it was the only reason.
I know we have had our disagreements, but you make excellent points here. I would also add that trading Revis this off season hurts and does not help the cap situation this year. In fact if Revis is gone, and assuming no later than by the end of 13 that Sanchez's contract is also offloaded, the Jets may have trouble looking around for worthy players to pay enough to use up the available cap space by 14.
Revis does not merely cover one of four receivers against that kind of set. He shuts down the opponent's #1 receiver who otherwise would normally draw double coverage. Why is this simple consideration so hard for apparently too many here to keep in mind? I just don't get it. A shut down corner effectively adds another player to the D, because in most plays without such a corner, the D will cover the opponent's best receiver with TWO, not ONE, player.
