There have been a lot of problems with the Jets this season. But none of it has anything to do with playcalling. Maybe the staff went a little too conservative in the first 3/4 of the Ravens game. But the protection wasn't there and this was Clemens's first start. When there was nothing left to lose, they let him run loose and I'm sure they learned from that. Mangini and his staff are very smart and very capable. They are not the problem, not even a little.
Mangini allowed Schotty to go way too conservative for the first 7 quarters of this season. Mangini allowed Sutton to rush only 3 guys against Brady in week one. Mangini went for a 53 field goal in a punting situation, and went for an onsides kick when Nugent should have booted it out of the endzone when we had 2-3 timeouts left. The Jets lost BAD in 2 straight weeks. For 7 quarters the team looked completely unprepared and outmatched. Mangini has made some rookie mistakes in his sophomore season and deserves a little bit of flak for this teams performance. With that said, I only need to look at the great Chiefs collapse to understand how lucky we are to not have Herm anymore. We should be 1-1 at this point, and a good portion of the 0-2 record is on Mangini, but I am by no means ready to start talking about him being a bust.
Im not sayin fire mangini in the least bit here.....but just to interrupt you a bit, he is trying to shove a square peg into a round hole with this 3-4 defense.......so far, 19 games later(including the playoff game last year) the defense has been shit.Atsome point, Im not sayin now, but at some point oneof three things has to happen....;.1) we switch to the 4-3 2) mangini finds the right parts for the 3-4....3) we tell him to stick his 3-4 up his ass and beat it....could be one year, two years four years...who knows....butone of those three must happen
Give Coleman and Robertson a little time to get some chemistry and I think the 3-4 will be clicking by mid-season. Coleman and Robertson came into this season looking much bigger, and both are playing well. It would be nice to see an OLB really step up, but I honestly think this defense will be pretty good if they could just get everyone healthy (especially Dyson).
before anything is done to Mangini, McMissedItAgain needs to go finally and Chad may have to take a back seat for a bit so we can see where Clemens is actually at. Then we need some pass rushers, run stoppers and O-Line than can hold back a blitz for 3 seconds.
Mangini is a good football coach. He also has the possibility of being a great one.Only time will tell. Time,you must give the guy 5 years we are inhis 2nd year and because we went 10-6 last year weveryone figures we should go 11-5 this year. It doesn't work that way with schedule and personnel changes it takes time to build a winning program. Mangini gets my benefit of the doubt for the foreseeable future. He will be the guy to being us the Lombardi.
Funny that's how the Steelers Dolphins and Cowboys built winning programs. You won't win in this league unless you have continuity at the H/C position. Firing a guy after going 36-12 with 2 championship losses will get you the next Tom Coughlin or some other retread.The Steelers built their program through patience riding out the 7-9 years to go on to win a SB.
You will never see that again. You especially won't see it again in either of the three cities you mentioned now that change has come to Pittsburgh.
I think the NFL needs to get back to this type of a program. Unless a team is willing to cheat and have *`s next to their Championships, then patience is needed. The Steelers had waited 26 years for their SB and Cowher was there for a very long time. Even though he was a 1 and done SB winner, the Steelers were consistently in the playoffs every season. That is where the Jets need to get to first. A bit of consistency in the playoff department, then a shot at the SB eventually. Yes, we`ve been waiting a very long time(38 years), but did it ever occur to you that was because we`ve had numerous HC`s over those years? Never finding the right guy either ........ yet. Mangini can be that guy. If after 5 years and no progress is made, then maybe a new direction will be needed. That will only mean another 5 year program.
Sperm had 5 years to coach this team, if he doesn't quit on the team because he knows he's gonna be the next coach in KC he's probably still the head coach back for his 7th season.
Nothing I’ve seen from Mangini this year points to genius; I think we’ve been completely beat down and out coached so far. With that said – we’ve played one great team and one pretty good team; it might just be that Chad and Manwhatever are really good at beating teams we are supposed to beat. I wasn’t in favor of hiring him at first but I thought he did a great job his first year; I haven’t bought into him being a “great coach” yet because Donnie Henderwhatever did a pretty good job his first year too… 1 – 3 with three complete beat downs and a win in the mud against the team that we will have to deal with for the unforeseen future…no so niccce. He might just need to stop eating spaghetti with Tony Soprano over at Arties place and get back to the tape room.
Nobody's as good as they look when they're on top and very few people are as bad as they look when they're on the bottom. Mangini so far has done very little to suggest to me that he's not going to be our coach for the next decade or so. He's smart and he's very competitive. The Jets have not had this good a coach since Parcells, and Parcells was getting old and cranky. The Jets have not ever had a young coach this good. This is potential Pittsburgh Steelers territory the Jets stepped into when they hired this guy and if we're lucky he's a generational switch to change the Jets fortunes.
Two games into the season, following a playoff appearance that NO ONE expected, I'm willing to call this thread silly. Beyond that, I still find myself pleased as punch that Mangini can successfully work a friggin' analog watch without a quizzical look on his face.
I'm about to go there also. Mangini is so damn stubborn, he has Vilma, our quickest LB playing inside where he is clearly out matched game after game. We continue to see Victor Hobson's slow ass pass rush from the outside. Who if you ask me is nothing more then a backup LB, David Harris should be in the middle with Eric Barton and Vilma should be outside. If Mangini stuck Vilma outside we could really use his speed, he could pass rush from all angles of the field, and go back in coverage at any angel. We could move him around just like the Giants moved LT around. Vilma inside is not going to work, plain and simple. Also how can Mangini continue to ask D-Rob to match up against two sometimes even three offensive linemen that out weigh him by 20-40 pounds every week? I'm sick of this. This is the same defense we put on the field last season, no pass rush, no solid NT, no nothing.
Thanks SJ. I inexplicably continued to read this thread....all the while wondering why I am wasting my time here. Finally, I came across the above. Good things come to those who wait. :up:
Because Herm is an idiot...and Mangini knows how to manage a game. We just lost to two VERY good teams. Sure the Ravens don't have a great offense, but most teams won't score 20 on them. The Pats are looking unbeatable right now.
