Lol, the argument wasn't whether he'd come out, it was if he came out where he'd go. You didn't want him to come out therefore you postulated every theory why he wouldn't. I was hoping he'd come out and I postulated every theory why he would. But you said if he came out the NFL out of some sense of morality wouldn't draft him in the first round or that somehow because of a lack of experience he'd go as late as the 4th round. That's simply delusional or Geno protectionism. You're theory wasn't right, you guessed right. _
And Jimmy Graham in free agency. One year deal for the vet minimum or screw him. We're the Jets dagnabit. _
This is way more realistic than the other projection, but I think you are forgetting a QB (Sean Mannion) who might be good in the NFL if he goes to the right team. All depending if he comes out for the draft. Being so overlooked for the draft he probably should stay in school, but then going to a team with an established QB and being able to sit for a year or two might be really good,. He's 6'4", 220 pounds, possesses the prototypical frame, possesses an efficient, over-the-top delivery and anticipates very well, releasing passes before his receivers make their final breaks. He had a great receiver in Cooks but not much else. A three year starter threw for 4403 yard this season with 66% completion rate, 36 TDs and only 14 Ints. Even as a freshman starter he completed 62.9%. The kid is accurate and his main fault was he played on a bad Team.
Jimmy Garoppolo is going to have a lot of people looking hard at him in the middle rounds. He's from Tony Romo's school and the buzz is that he's better then Romo was. If he wins the Walter Payton award he's probably going to go in the 4th round at the latest. http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/college-football/news/20131113/jimmy-garoppolo-eastern-illinois/
Start with the top players from the best programs and work your way down. Diamonds in the rough from small schools sound good in theory but the likelihood of them panning out vs. a guy from a power conference school is tiny. We're not wasting the franchise's super valuable picks on some no-name QB from a small school, we're just not. That's too risky and a waste of a pick. Manziel is the guy to target, the kid will be the next Russell Wilson in the right system. If we pick between 10-15 in the first round then I'm not sure if he'll still be there for us.
i disagree with this as qb's . get the guy with the game and the stats from the non traditional schools who made it work without elite talent around him. thats the guy who knows how to find the open man. not the guy from bcs champ u throwing to the 10th pick in next years draft. he is too dependent on his first read being open against the cb/soon to be accountant every saturday. midtier schools seem to be producing the qb's nowadays
My post was more a guideline as to how you need to start the evaluation process of finding a QB. Russell Wilson is the best young QB in football and he didn't go to a mid tier school. Neither did Luck or RG3. Which QB are you talking about and from what midtier school? Your chances of finding one from a midtier school are way more unlikely than finding one from a power school, that was my point.
I'd tier it like this: 1. 3 or 4 year starters in top-tier programs that have steadily progressed over the seasons with better overall careers taking precedence over late bloomers. 2. 3 or 4 year starters in mid-tier programs. 3. 2 year starters in top-tier programs with good production both years and no fall-off. 4. 3 or 4 year starters wherever that have steadily progressed with better overall careers taking prededence over late bloomers. 5. 2 year starters in mid-tier programs, late bloomers wherever, etc.
rothlesburger comes to mind. flacco too but my point was more to watching out for players with nfl talent all through the team. by mid tier i was reffering to the bottom half of the top 25 and the ones just missing it. there just doesn't seem to be many qb's coming out of the bcs championship contending teams.
Ugh, every mock draft I see claims we are going to go for Manziel. God I hope not. I don't want to go anywhere near that egocentric prick.
Using the 5 tiers I posted above: 1. 3 or 4 year starters at top-tier programs. Peyton Manning, Andrew Luck, Drew Brees, Matthew Stafford, Nick Foles, RGIII, Eli Manning, Jay Cutler, Christian Ponder, Matt Ryan, Russell Wilson*, Carson Palmer, Sam Bradford**, Geno Smith, Andy Dalton, Jake Locker, Chad Henne, Matt Schaub, Philip Rivers, Matt McGloin/Terrelle Pryor 2. 3 or 4 year starters at mid-tier programs. Ben Roethlisberger, Colin Kaepernick. 3. 2 year starters at top-tier programs. Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, Mike Glennon, Alex Smith, Ryan Tannehill, E.J. Manuel, Brandon Weeden***. 4. 3 or 4 year starters wherever that have progressed steadily. Tony Romo. 5. 2 year starters wherever, late bloomers, etc. Joe Flacco, Cam Newton. Criteria for top-tier program/mid-tier program was by conference played in. Those of you wanting to argue that bad teams in those conferences should not be included need to remember that guys like Jay Cutler didn't get to beat up on Vanderbilt they had to play the top teams instead. Had troubles discerning between a few conferences like WAC, MWC, Big East, etc. Put some in the top-tier and some in the mid-tier. If you want to put Boise State in the top-tier and Utah in the mid-tier instead of the reverse feel free to make your own adjustments. * Russell Wilson started 4 years in the ACC and Big Ten. ** Sam Bradford got hurt his Senior season early on and was still the 1 pick. I call him a 3 year starter for that reason. Sue me. ***Brandon Weeden is the stand-in for the vacancy at Browns QB. 20 of the 32 starting QB's were 3 or 4 year starters at top-tier programs. 2 notable exceptions who have both been to Super Bowls were 3 or 4 year starters at mid-tier programs. 7 guys were 2 year starters at top-tier programs. 1 guy was a 3 or 4 year starter below mid-tier. 1 guy was a 2 year starter at below mid-tier. He won the Super Bowl last year. 1 guy was all over the place. That's Cam Newton. Based on the above I would have to switch items 2 and 3 in my original list. The NFL values 2 year starters at top programs more than they value 3 or 4 year starters at mid-tier programs.
Coming from UCF....man, I really think it would be cool if the Jets took Bortles. He's a fun quarterback to watch, I don't know how good he will be in the NFL and he's a total question mark in terms of where is going to be drafted. His mechanics aren't as good as some of the others quarterbacks in the class, but his physical build and big play ability are better than most. There's some recent talk (like right now on ESPN) that he is going to be the top QB selected, or at least very early. I'd be surprised if that happened, but it makes me wonder- where do we bite on him if he's still available?
I'm starting to wonder whether or not Teddy Bridgewater has been over-hyped in terms of his likely draft position if he comes out. He's a Junior. He's from a mid-tier college. His late-season performance has been good not great and against opponents that are decidedly mid-tier (UConn, Houston, Memphis, Cincinnati - all AAS teams.) The history of NFL drafting would suggest that he goes in the Ben Roethlisberger to Chad Pennington range, not in the top 5. Obviously he's still seen as a top 5 pick candidate but I'm starting to wonder if he's going to slide some, particularly if he turns out to be 6'2 and half instead of 6'3" and 200 pounds when the combine measures him.
Doubt he slides. If you watch him play, regardless of his competition, he looks damn good. He had a few average games and absolutely zero bad ones- their one loss was completely not his fault.
