I'm on the Derek Carr train (as I been mentioning many times on this board already), the guy has excellent football IQ. I would even say he's the 2nd most cerebral QB in the draft next to Bridgewater. That's the type of QB, I want. Physical tools can only get you so far. Carr also has a QUICK release, that ball is always out quick. I want nothing to do with McCarron, he is overrated surrounded by NFL talent players. Carr has the one WR at most in Davante Adams. Maybe you grab him in the 2nd round or 3rd.
Carr really isnt a one year wonder. He played very well last year as well. 67% completion, 4100 yards, 37 TDs and 7 Ints is pretty damn good if you ask me. This year he's only gotten better. I think he could end up a top 10 pick. IMO there's 5 QBs that will probably go in the 1st- Bridgewater, Mariota, Manziel, Carr and Mettenberger. If the organization has any hesitation about Geno being the long term answer (which I dont see how you cant), one of these QBs could be there at our pick. As I said last year, if we draft a QB (again), we better be committed the rest of the draft to surrounded that QB with talent. Last year we drafted Geno and didnt surround him with any talent. Now he is having one of the worst seasons for a rookie QB. If we decide to go QB next year, the following rounds better consist of WR(s), TE, OL and even RB.
Ive personally never been a huge fan of Boyd either, but there's no way Im putting him behind Logan Thomas- the most underachieving player in CFB the last two years.
That's nuts. Boyd is tough, fast, a huge arm with a lightening quick release and accurate and a true leader. There are 6 or 7 guys I'd take over him but I'd take him over Geno in a nanosecond. He is light years better than Thomas. I've not seen a lot of Savage. _
If Idzik spends a high pick on a QB, he deserves to be scrutinized about wasting a top 40 pick then. Which is why I don't think Idzik will be doing that and why he'd be smart in building more of our young foundation. WR/OLB/TE/OT/S/CB are holes we should consider this upcoming draft. We can even sign a FA TE since this draft class doesn't shine in the position. Now if you wanted to convince me in drafting someone like Austen Fales in round 4 or 5, then that's fine I suppose. Sammy Watkins, Trent Murphy/Best Available OLB, Best Available safety, Dri Archer(I called him Chris in another thread, must still be in baseball mode) sounds like an ideal first 3 rounds to me. I think Austin Howard will get the franchise tag so we'll have to take another year of DBrick/Howard at the tackle spots.
We get it, you love Geno. But if Idzik has the chance to take a true franchise QB, he is going to do it. He is not invested in Geno, if be really thought of him as a franchise QB he would have taken him at 9. Top 40 pick be damned. _
Has nothing to do with me loving Geno, people who brush off Geno's ties with the team because he's a "2nd round pick" are stupid. 2nd round picks are picks you expect to contribute for your team in the long haul and to give up on a 2nd round pick after one season shows impatient within the FO and incompetence and shows that the Jets just do not understand what the NFL Draft is all about. Idzik gambled with Geno and tried to trade up for him in early round 2 but could not get a reasonable deal going. Idzik is Pro-Geno, I think at the very least he gets another year to prove himself. I'd much rather bring in a veteran FA QB then use a draft pick on another rookie. Contrary to common belief, we are not a QB away from being a perennial power house.
Funny you calling anyone "stupid". Complete and utter made up bullshit. We get it, you love Geno. But you have no idea what Idzik thinks about Geno. No idea. _
Nice flamebaiting. Could be, could not be. That was the talk heading into Day 2, and TEN made a trade up with SF for Justin Hunter after we were rumored to be talking with the 49ers about a trade up. Who knows. What is fact is we spent a high 2nd round pick on Geno Smith. Not a 4th or 5th but a top 40 pick. And straight from Idzik's mouth, he was torn about taking Geno with pick 13. It has nothing to do with me loving Geno. You think you bring that up as it that is some kind of way to diminishes my opinions and points. Nobody has any idea what Idzik thinks about Geno but what makes you think Geno has zero shot from starting on this team after just one year? You know about this as much as I do. Everything is speculation, you have the right to speculate that we will and should draft a QB(Even though next April is so far away) as I have the right to speculate that we don't and should not.
Mariota will probably play at Oregon next year. Mannion is a good pocket passer with a great arm but gives up too many picks. Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk
The way I see this Geno/QB situation is that we simply need a franchise QB. There's no way around it. I was probably THE biggest proponent of the Geno pick at the time. Sadly, since then, Geno has not convinced me he is our future- our franchise QB. If we pick between 8-13 and a QB falls to us that this organization believes is of the franchise QB caliber, I just cant see how they can pass on it. The panthers invested a 2nd round pick in Jimmy Clausen. He was trash that year and then they drafted their real franchise QB. As much as I want Geno to be that guy, I cant make him into something he's not. If he does not improve through the next 5 games and/or gets benched for Matt Simms, I cant see how Idzik can pass on a QB if there's one there for the taking. And honestly, I think it takes bigger stones to own up to a mistake and try and address the problem ASAP instead of waiting on something that doesnt look like the answer.
Baker, hypothetical scenario- say Geno either finishes the season at the pace that he is, or he gets benched for Matt Simms in the next couple of games. If one of Carr, Manziel or Mettenberger (whichever you prefer), is there at our pick in the 1st, do you take him? Or do you pray that with some talent around him Geno pulls an absolute 180 from a horrible rookie season to evententually being a franchise guy?
If Tajh Boyd actually fell to the sixth or seventh round... I would TAKE him in a heartbeat... Even if he fell to the 4th or 5th.. Stock up on weapons in the earlier rounds, then get a true competition between Smith, Simms, and Boyd. Source (if your wondering where I got that from) http://www.rotoworld.com/player/cfb/130770/tajh-boyd
More complete and utter made up bullshit conjecture on your part because of what you hope to be true as opposed to what actually happened. We did not spend a high 2nd round pick on him, we spent the 7th pick in that round--exactly where we were. You are a moron if you actually think Idzik was "torn" about taking him at 13 but waited until--LOL--the THIRTY-NINTH pick to take him. If you are "torn" about taking him at 13--you are basically saying this is THE GUY. You aren't "torn" and not take him--you TAKE HIM. And if you don't you move HEAVEN AND EARTH to get him at 15 or 18 or 20 or 22 or 24 or 25 or 29 or 32 o4 33 or 34 or 35 or 36 or 37 or 38 REGARDLESS of what it takes. It's a FREAKING FRANCHISE QB--you do ANYTHING--2nds, 3rds, 4ths, 1sts next year. You're just a Geno ball washer, we all get it. You're making shit up about Idzik when you have no clue--there was no "talk" the second day--unless you were THERE in the war room, you have no idea what the "talk" was. LOL, if we have a shot at any of the top 4 QBs, Idzik will throw that 2nd round pick from last year away like used toilet paper. The cost is sunk and there is no financial disincentive not to do so. _
LOL, if Jadaveon Clowney actually fell to the 5th round I would TAKE him in a heartbeat. That's what that sounds like. Boyd is going no later than round 3, probaby round 2 considering how many QB needy teams there are. He's better than Geno. _
