And I had a good, hearty laughter out of this. Enjoy, folks! http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap20...arrelle-revis-richard-sherman-all-me-me-me-me
Considering cost, and all the drama every year I would trade revis plus cap space for Richardson every day of he week. I was glad when he was gone just so I didn't have to hear about his contract every 4months.
Wow. I read that the first day it was posted, but didn't really think of it like that. Really is kinda weird that such a selfish player who's been all about me me me is now talking about another man being selfish.
TB misusing Revis and having an HC who got fired in his first year doesn't prove that his level of play in NY could ONLY be attributed to NY's system and coaching. Next! The Jets do not know what they could have gotten Revis for because they never made an offer or tried to negotiate with him. $16mil sounds high, but it is not guaranteed. The Jets also had leverage they did not even try to use, having him under contract for another year. My beef is they did not try for personal reasons, and I believe Woody is that reason. I don't care what you think you can see, since I am not impressed by that if you can't support your "sight" with analysis. You said in your first two posts that the Revis trade brought Richardson to the Jets. I have shown how you are wrong, and that the Jets getting Richardson did not require them to trade Revis. You have not shown you were right, and in effect have given up the discussion. So at least we have established that you oversold your "point" in the OP. At this juncture I am sure you want to leave the merits of the discussion behind you, although you might well post something off the point in response.
The urban legend that Revis had to be traded to get Richardson shows an astonishing lack of knowledge. Widespread, too.
Yes it did. THis would have been a more critical factor, but for the generally bad play of Smith. If the Jets had a competitive Qb, the downgrade of the secondary due to the Revis trade could have made a real difference in a playoff run. Bu I guess some here are comfortable with a downgraded secondary. Of course we can all agree that IF cap space is used properly going forward, and IF Milliner improves to become a quality NFL CB, which he may well might, then there might be some marginal benefit to the Jets in making the Revis trade. That remains to be seen.
Funny. You are quoting lack of knowledge when you cant even comprehend what someone writes! Read it again, but this time slower. I said I would trade Revis for Richardson, I never mentioned a link you did.
I did not say this. What I said is, Revis does need some good support to be effective, starting from the top of the organization. The other 20M-dollar man is not prone to such a limitation. Which simply means Revis is NOT worth the money he was crying out for. Is it that hard a concept to grasp? YOU claim it didn't - YOU claim Richardson was the top dog on the board. YOU claim Jets would have draftred Richardson if Revis was still on board. Where the hell is YOUR evidence, Sherlock? Jesus Christ. And you have shown ME that 'I' am wrong? Holy shit. You have established nothing. P.S. I decided to take Richardson/Milliner out of discussion because I didn't want to include unnecessary bullshit [or bitching] in this. Not because they were irrelevant.
What you posted has no relevance to this thread unless one assumes that it was necessary to trade Revis to get Richardson. Did you read the OP and the threads that followed? It is not apparent that you did.
I think my position is clear despite your efforts to misrepresent it. I said Richardson has shown HE and not Miliner was the BPA. I said if the Jets had Revis on the roster on draft day and had taken Milliner instead of Richardson at 9, that would have been STUPID. Feel free to disagree. Your use of terms like "crying out for" is immature and adds nothing to the discussion. It is part of your posting style, I understand. But all players try and get the deal they can. I don't know of any NFL players who don't have agents, either. You raise the holdout issue - I have already addressed that as well. And despite having referred to Richardson in your OP and second post on this thread, you say you don't want to talk about that anymore. Good move. See, you did learn something. As for what Revis signed with TB for, I have also posted to that subject probably at least fifty times, and will not repeat myself here when I just posted to it on this very page. If you are not going to acknowledge those points, I see no purpose in repeating myself only to have you ignore those points again. Have a nice day.
Before shooting off a reply why don't you take a few moments to formulate what you are actually angry about. Flip-flopping all over is making you seem..well..kind of silly. First you say that I said the two players were linked which I clearly did not, now you change you position and have a problem with the content of my post (instead of just saying - Hey I misread what you wrote). I think people are ok to express their opinions about players that are being discussed in a thread. Maybe you can now look for a grammatical error in my reply and try and isolate that?
It is clear now - but was it during the draft day? That's what Br4dw4y scorned as the 'Zen' Football. Remember, not everybody was happy for Richardson pick at the moment to begin with - I was skeptical of it myself, even though I did like the way draft was going, strengthening the front line. [You can find my past posts about this if you so care.] And I am not just talking about the fans on board here. So-called analysts and experts were all confused by Richardson pick to say the very least. [Check NFL site if you want - just as an example.] Are you saying you were confident that Richardson would turn out to be a beast that he was last season? Are you saying you KNEW Richardson was the best player available at #9? How could you have possibly known that? Did you have the gift of foresight somehow? If you EVER did, I just have no fucking idea why you are wasting your time here, instead of working for a real NFL franchise - you SURE have a gift that even professional scouts lack. No, I am not misrepresenting anything. Your posts are so completely full of shit. That was what Revis was doing all along. [And you can add Pete Kendall to that list.] I did it for an act of leniency. I wasn't conceding ground - but you can delude yourself like that if you care. So what was your point? I fail to see it. And - do not just take a few pieces then respond to it. I don't do that, do I? Why don't you take the time to respond the post in its entirety? Your position - that Revis was worth his demand - was a ludicrous one, as I said above. You seem to ignore a lot of these points that could put your argument in jeopardy. That's not a good sport.
First of all you did not respond to my points in post 110, where I succinctly described exactly what my issue was with the way the Jets handled the Revis situation. You are a regular poster here, and these points have been made many times by myself and others on this subject. You did not respond to them. So there's that. I have no obligation here to respond to every "point" you make when you are merely repeating nonsense I have addressed previously and did not respond to. My point about Richardson and the draft would be obivous if you were fairminded. Did you not refer to Richardson in your OP? How many times have people posted here that REVIS FOR RICHARDSON is what makes the trade to TB a great one? I htink it clear and I thought so at the time that the Jets picked Milliner at 9 because they needed to replace Revis. I never claimed that I myself knew Richardson was the better pick. But if Richardson was on their boards as a high pick, it is obvious 9 should not have been spent on Milliner if Revis was still on the roster. What people here felt about Richardson on draft day is irrelevant. And for myself I don't bother posting to others who are completely full of shit, so you must not be. You are only ninety percent full of shit.
You mean, this? Ok - here it goes. I wouldn't have touched Revis with 10 foot pole if I had been in that situation. You must know what that means. Having Revis under the contract for one more year? What after that? Revis walks free after that. Do you honestly think Revis will sign a contract if situation comes to that? Are you nuts? Some fantastic leverage you've got right there. It's more of "I've seen enough." deal - or that was what it looked to me. And I agreed with that stance. I was fed up with his antics. Not when if you keep claiming Richardson was the best player available. Nobody knew. General consensus at #9 was, if I recall, Milliner was the best player available, by a landslide. You claim otherwise. Oh boy - hindsight is 20/20. That doesn't mean you can shoot off random bullshit based upon what happened after the incident, which is exactly what you are doing. Also, since Jets traded Revis away, that created a need at CB, but we all knew at that time, Cro was coming off a stellar season. CB was not a high need. If Jets brass drafted Milliner even after such facts, what do you think their assessment of Milliner was? My point would be very obvious and clear if you stop revising history. Not a single soul knew how Richardson would turn out, first and foremost. And replacing a good player in back four for a good one in the front line was what the trade was about in my mind; and extra cash plus the offloading useless antics. I don't know what would have happened if Revis was still on board - they may even have gone off to address offensive needs. Who knows? Nobody knows. And for the umpteenth time, NOBODY KNEW HOW RICHARDSON WOULD TURN OUT AT THAT MOMENT. Ok. Maybe except you. Thus it made a fair trade at that time. And a better one after the season. It is, again, YOU thinking that way. Look at the draft boards all around. The good thing with internet is, the recent history remains intact mostly. To a lot of people - experts, analysts and fans altogether - Milliner WAS the best pick available, especially after most of the worthy offensive play makers went off the board. Like I said above, Cro was just coming off a very stellar season, and Jets pass D was coming off as #2 in the entire league despite the poor record. CB was not a high need as you CLAIM it is. Nobody knows that either. Revis situation is precarious - it always is - and Jets COULD have been preparing for his eventual exit. Who knows? Exactly. Thus I am suggesting you knock on the Jets door, and tell them of your scouting gift. I mean, if 10 teams overlooked the best guy available - that includes the Jets - their scouts are not doing their job right. No?
You are misrepresenting what I said, again and again, and just because you want to waste your time on long winded idiocy does not require I respond. I think any fairminded person, which would not be you, knows that talking about Richardon was foolish in the context of discussing the Revis trade as if it was a necessary result of it. The only other new point, new to this thread, is that you were sick of Revis. You're being sick of Revis did noat make it a good trade. I have described why I felt the Jets did not take a good approach to him. You essentially agree with Woody. I don't. More misrepresentations by you, talking about Revis Jock holders and other vituperative language, and name calling by you accomplishes nothing. I have made my points. Others here can read them and disagree or agree, comment or not. Tomorrow is another day. It is what it is.
How am I misrepresenting what you said? The trade did go off in a manner that, Revis went to TB, and Jets received #13 pick last year - which Jets used to draft Richardson. All you are claiming is that, if Revis wasn't shopped off, Jets would have drafted Richardson at #9 anyway - and you don't even have a single evidence to show for. I repeat. You cannot use Richardson's performance last season to substantiate your argument [which is what you are doing.] And for that, 12 teams missed him before Jets took a swipe at him with pick 13. Of course that trade was the heart of discussion. What Jets got out of the trade wasn't sufficient - or that was the general consensus. At the same time, the entire world knew Jets couldn't get more out of him, due to the strained relationship between Revis and Jets. Only YOU are claiming 1. something could have been done between the two. and 2. Jets would have drafted Richardson if that happened. Without a single shred of evidence a priori. Or am I misrepresenting you again here? Could you share your wisdom to enlighten me here too?
