Year in retrospect: How did the Revis trade work out?

I checked your first two posts in this thread and in both you asserted that trading Revis was what brought Richardson to the Jets. Nonsense. It was not NECESSARY to trade Revis in order to draft Richardson, and you simply do not know what they would have done if Revis was still on the roster during the draft. My pointing out that your assertion is nonsense is not bitching. It is pointing out you don't have a basis for saying what you did.

I guess it's progress, though, that in effect you now acknowledge you were wrong to say what you did initially.

Nor do you have a basis for saying Revis in 2013 was not half the player he was before. PFF still ranks him in their All-Pro team for last year as one of the two top CB's in the game.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2014/01/06/2013-pff-all-pro-team/2/

Sounds like you don't know what you are talking about there as well.

"stinks up the joint" - really? One of the best two Cb's in a year coming back from injury, and you say he was stinking up the joint?

TB's problems last year, and I concede I did not see much of them, were attributable to a Qb who sucked and an HC who did not know how to run an NFL team. Whether TB can improve from last year is more about those two areas than whether Revis will cease "stinking it up." Revis was not stinking it up.

Cap space. Again, whether trading Revis was a good move depends in part on whether they better spend the cap space money elsewhere. I have seen the Jets misspend plenty of cap space over the years. At least Revis earned his salary when he was on the Jets.

As for the jock holding, I did not like much of the positioning that Revis and his agent seemed to be using in negotiating. But negotiations are a two way street, and the Jets have done plenty of unfair and counterproductive things in negotiating with players, too. You simply ignore that the Jets created some of the problems in their history of negotiating with Revis. Perhaps you do not intend to, but the net effect is you come across as a supporter of Woody's involvement in such matters. I am not a Woody fan.

Now that we cleared that up...

 

1. Saved on cap space
2. Sheldon Richardson
3. Gained another high draft pick in a deep draft (2014).


/nuff said

 

Anybody who thinks we have Richardson without the Revis trade is speculating without the benefit of the facts. The facts are that the Jets chose to take Dee Milliner with the 9 pick. Any reworking of the draft order after that is purely speculation.

Richardson got taken on the 13. Any scenario that gets him to the Jets in the absence of the 13 pick is purely speculation.

 

It is speculation, but they probably wouldn't have taken Milliner if not for the trade of Revis. Who knows who they take at the 9 then.. maybe they do take Richardson?

Either way though, it's too early to tell on the Revis trade IMO. I also don't think of it as trading Revis for Richardson, because that's not what they did. They traded him for a 1st round pick - it just so happens they may have hit on that pick.

If Milliner doesn't pan out then people may feel differently about the Revis trade. Especially since they could lose Cromartie now. If Milliner busts (and for 4/5s of his first season he looked like he could be) and Cromartie leaves as a cap casualty - then the CB position instantly becomes this teams biggest weakness, virtually overnight... I think people would feel differently about the Revis trade, if that happens and it's VERY possible.

 

This is just speculation though. Given everything else we know the odds are pretty good that the Jets just take the top 5 talent who slipped to the 9 pick. I can speculate also about how the Jets couldn't fit both Revis and Cro under their limited cap and how the one thing they weren't going to do was go into the season with Revis unresolved however the facts are that they chose to resolve Revis out of town and then took Milliner.

They didn't plan to take Milliner when Revis went out of town because they had no expectation he would be there on the 9. You can't make the case that the Jets bumped Milliner up their board because they had no Revis because Milliner wasn't going to be there anyway.

Then he was there and they took him, Most likely because he was the best player on their board at the pick.

 

And I thought you were starting out the new year so well. Geez.

Speculation? Aykm? This whole thread is about speculation. The speculation is what did the Revis trade bring compared to if he had not been traded. That analysis REQUIRES us to separate out what truly resulted from the Revis trade compared to what would have happened anyway.

All you have is that the pick that they got for Revis is what they used on Richardson. That doesn't mean anything. It says NOTHING about how little or much they chose Milliner because Revis was gone, and what they would have done in the draft if Revis was still on the roster.

Contrary to that I have said and I think it highly relevant that NEED would not have been there to use a high first round pick at Cb if Revis was still on the roster.

Does that mean the Jets might still have picked Milliner at 9? They might well have, but it would have been STUPID for them to do so.

You also continue to ignore that in fact the BPA between the two was Richardson, not Milliner. So if Revis had not been traded that is ANOTHER reason why they should have picked Richardson at 9. Who cares what they MIGHT have had as their draft board IF Revis was still on the team? IF they would have still had Milliner higher, a huge IF, it would have been a MISTAKE to have done so.

And I hope no one else uses the canard that other teams had Milliner higher as well. That kind of herd mentality reasoning does not over come that Richardson should have been higher.

As far as what the Jets thought they could get at 9 with Revis already gone, there were other CB's available in the draft, and it says nothing if Milliner was already gone at 9. They could have traded down and still gotten a cb in the draft. In fact this argument of fear of losing Milliner cuts both ways, since as I said yesterday it was likely a reason why they picked him before Richardson, whether or not it was the only reason.

But again, this whole discussion involves speculation.

 

Cromartie was cuttable last year right?

What if the Jets took Milliner because he was their BPA and cut Cromartie because of that.

 

Unless this is a hypothetical thread, speculations & opinions don't mean shit anymore.

Here are the FACTS! -- The Jets took Sheldon at #13 (REVIS TRADE PICK), saved cap space & got a 3/4th Pick in this years draft. YOU CAN NOT DISPUTE THIS! They are facts. Speculate all you want about who they would've taken (no evidence) but that's nothing but wishful thinking and pointless!

I can play the game too, watch;

If Revis is on the team last year, they signed him to an extension:
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It doesn't necessarily mean we signed him to anything. Let him play out his contract, walk or sign...or trade (which we did, THANKFULLY)

Why would the Jets take a CB when they have Cro/Revis/Wilson? It makes no sense...
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Why would the Jets take another DL when they just drafted 2 in Round 1 the previous 2 years. It makes no sense. :breakdance:
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Why wouldn't they take the highest rated CB in this draft in case Mevis doesn't recover or we extend him w/ a huge contract and have to let Cro &/or Wilson walk?

So many what ifs, it's useless at this point. Are we talking about the "now" or the "what if's"?

We got the better deal even if Sheldon and the 3/4pick shit the bed. Not paying a CB QB money makes the deal one-sided.

/thread

 

Cromartie was trade-able last year. The Jets could easily have gotten a 3rd round pick for him and probably done better than that.

One of the scenarios (pure speculation) that I thought was possible was the Jets trading Cromartie and Revis. That would have been a move made by a rebuilding team with the replacement of Rex Ryan after the season in mind.

Instead the Jets gave Rex the pieces he needed to keep things respectable and in the process helped him save his job.

For a guy supposedly looking to bump Rex overboard John Idzik did a lot of things that look on the surface like they were designed to help Rex instead.

 

It was stated shortly after the draft that the top four guys on the Jets board were Tavon Austin, Dee Milliner, Chance Warmack & Sheldon Richardson.

So maybe if the Jets had Revis they would have drafted Warmack instead of Milliner. He ended up going 10th.

But then who would have the Jets drafted in the 3rd instead of Winters? Oh, this is maddening!...

 

I just don't see as much relevance in the overall TB performance last season if the metric is how well or better the Jet D would have been with Revis on the team. TB misuses Revis, or doesn't know what to do with him. That gets a big so what in my book. And I stand by my take that the Jets likely would have gotten Richardson if they had Revis still on the roster, so I don't follow you, until you get to the part I quoted.

As you know, Revis did not hold out prior to his trade to TB. The hold out was before the contract he had that was then in effect. As I already mentinoed, I was not pleased with some of his tactics, and of his agent. But it was not in a vacuum, and the Jets made mistakes too. I recall distinctly that Tanny had said he would redo Revis's contract, and how great a player he was. So what did the Jets offer him that should have led to a signing without a holdout? I never heard that they offered him anything near what they eventually gave him after he held out.

If they had of done that, I think there would have been no hold out. But that's my opinion, I acknowledge. It is not my opinion that Revis and his agent were a pair of great guys who could do no wrong, and did no wrong. I just think there was two sides to that situation, which Revis Haters tend to ignore.

 

Revis had a good year this year where do people get that he did bad again? His team stunk... not him

 

Carolina Thursday night
Arizona
New Orleans last game of the season

3 games Revis was instrumental in costing his team the win. All NFC teams too.

 

I think most people are all for it, one year later with Sheldon Richardson to show for it. Would we feel the same if Dee Milliner was taken with that pick instead?

 

100% correct.

The money alone was crazy for us to consider... PLUS we got 2 good picks out of the deal AND 1 happened to be a stud and we got 1 more to go...

CB are just not worth that money in this league anymore too! QB's, WR and Sack artists are the most vital players and they are the real bread winners in todays game.

 

This trade is an offset to drafting Blair Thomas or JL Jones. How could it have been better? Richardson and a boat load of cash to spend on FA this year.

 

I think its more of Revis for Milliner and cash. They would most likely have picked Sheldon at 9 rather than having Milliner, Cro, Revis and Kyle Wilson.