Hahaha, nice quote from Girardi! And ARod has completely shut up the critics this year. And he's done it relatively quietly since coming back from the surgery.
He still can't do that for a month. If they fold in the playoffs and he isn't spectacular people will be calling for his head even if he statistically outperforms Jeter.
Yeah, that's a pretty good point. But then again, the vast majority of Yankees fans I know are utterly clueless to the value ARod has added to the team.
Robertson out indefinitely..visiting Dr. Andrews http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/09/sports/baseball/09yanknotes.html?_r=1&ref=baseball
Yeah, Kim Jones reported it on the pregame yesterday. It's always bad news when James Andrews' name is mentioned. Hahaha, yeah sorta. Honestly though, the biggest problem is the media. Too many people are quick to accept the opinions of the local sportswriters these days. When I was a kid, Yankees fans were pretty freaking intelligent. Then again, so were the writers. These days, the newspaper columns are more like blogs on dead trees. It's unfortunate, but journalism has joined the Dodo, and the trickle effect is the general public not receiving a lot of information that the more "tech savvy" do. Hell, look at me. I started a thread not too long ago asking about sites like baseball-reference. While I don't consider myself a genius when it comes to sports, I like to think I usually present a decent point (and accept when I'm proven wrong.) A lot of it is because I do make an effort to watch games critically and read sources of information for statistical data. Granted, it was mostly relegated to ESPN or MLB before, but that's better than getting all of my info from, say, the Daily News.
It's not just a problem limited to the media, Yankee fans, or baseball. It's everywhere. The lazy brain rules all. Much easier to take what other people say as fact and try to "win" by just shouting down anyone who disagrees with you. Critical thinking and objective analysis aren't far from joining decent journalism and the Dodo. Take any column by Joel Sherman, Mike Lupica, or George King III as proof. Take any political cable news show as further proof.
Oh absolutely. I've been campaigning against "group think" for ages now. It's terrible. People don't want to think for themselves. It's far easier to walk through life being told that ARod is a failure, or the government is the only one that knows what's good for us, or whatever, and just repeating it to each other.
Amusingly, I consider people railing against the allegedly nefarious socialist takeover as just as bad (if not worse, considering all the factless shouting they seem to enjoy). ETA: Not to get political about it. I'm just basing this on what I've seen when flipping through the channels.
No, I hear you, and I'm even starting to tire of it, and I align (in this particular case) with those voices. It's still a matter of "group think" and in any direction, that's always a bad thing. At least politics are completely based on beliefs though. Sports can be proven with math. There are statistics for every situation to prove/disprove a point.
And the over/under on Chamberlain and 3 innings tonight is.......................drum roll...........................over
I'm hoping Joba can go 4+ tonight. Less than that and he's pitching ineffectively. He needs to "get right" before the playoffs start. We've got the big-3 pitching well now. I want to make sure our "#4" and pen are ready to go. I really wonder how they'll use Joba in the playoffs. Assuming CC, AJ, and Pettitte are all on top of their game, would Joba be held back as the #4 guy, or would they use him along with Hughes to set up Mo?
People should be able to express logical reasoning for political beliefs, though. All too often, they can't. That's because they don't believe what they believe because it actually IS right. They don't believe it because they've studied it, and looked at the possible outcomes, benefits, and costs, and decided that this way is better than the other way or what have you. They don't judge each policy decision on its own merit. They believe it because at some point, they were told to believe it, decided to accept it (or reject it) and from that point on, continued merrily on with their life, forever thinking that what their side says is right (or very easily forgiving them when they're not), and what the other side says is wrong (and ignoring when they're not). Maybe changing here or there as their priorities suit them (the classic myth of the liberal to conservative evolution with age). This goes all the way back to one of the first arguments I had with you regarding Mussina and bias. And that's all I'm going to talk about politics today. ETA: I have zero problems with them using Joba out of the pen in the playoffs. Might make sense all around. The only reason I would NOT want them to do it is for all the shit it would cause in the offseason and heading into next year. We'd get to hear the starter vs. reliever crap all over again. But winning a championship would be worth it, and he'd likely make the pen better (assuming he throws fucking strikes). ...I think.
Agreed on all counts, which is why I consider myself moderate. (Registered Democrat, but lean either way based on how I feel on any given topic.) And that's all I'll talk politics here. There's more than enough room for politics in the BS forum. As for the Mussina thing, damn, do you keep notes? I didn't even recall the conversation until you mentioned it. Again, I 100% agree with you. It would be worth it. Maybe. Though we're going to hear about it with Hughes either way, so why not both? At least then we can fight the good fight for both simultaneously.
He will be in the pen if we win HF overall. We will go with a 3 man rotation in that case for the first series because we will have an extra day of rest in there. Otherwise we will need a 4 man rotation in that first series and it could be Chamberlain, or Gaudin, or Mitre depending on who is pitching well in their last couple of starts. Today it's Gaudin.
No, I just have a very good memory... for this kind of stuff, anyway. Introduce yourself to me at a party, and two weeks later I won't remember your name. Besides, the beauty of message boards is you don't need to keep notes. The board does that for you. Funny thing is, you really don't hear much about keeping Hughes in the pen, do you? Despite having a body of work this year almost double that of what Joba had as a reliever in 2007 (and Hughes is also getting very close to Joba's career totals for relief games and innings), we're not hearing Francessa go on and on about how Hughes is meant for that role because he's a dominant eighth inning guy. In fact, I'm sure that fat fuck still thinks Joba "proved" he was a dominant reliever in those 19 games in 2007, but that Hughes still hasn't proven himself in that role.
If I didn't already know the answer I'd ask if you don't live in NY due to this post. Trust me, most Yankees fans believe Hughes is now the future Mo. He's this year's Joba. The big difference between them is that last year the Yankees were talking actively about how the long term Joba plans were to put him into the rotation. This year, Girardi has been talking about how great Hughes has been for them out of the pen and they're only concerned with right now, and the rest of the organization is keeping quiet. The minute the Yankees say Hughes is going back to starting, the airwaves, newspapers, blogs, message boards, everything will be on fire.
