Yankees rule and the Mets suck.

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  1. Exit 117

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    Whatever you say, moron.
     
  2. AMJets

    AMJets Well-Known Member

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    No they didn't. That number doesn't include the money gained from the YES Network, nor from Japan. Those two alone take the Yankees out of the red.
     
  3. Imagesrdecieving

    Imagesrdecieving Well-Known Member

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    everything in baseball is cyclical. the yanks suffered a very long drought there for a while. Another one is coming.

    As mercenary as the yanks were in the 90's - it was all done around a solid core of home grown talent. Guess what - that talent is growing old. You no longer have your farm system as a base. Cano is not Jeter and Wang is not Petite. Even if they were - you are still missing Bernie, Posada and Mariano.

    What the Mets have is a nice young core of homegrown players that hopefully can grow to realize their potential and bring home a championship or two. What the Yanks have is a spent farm, aging core and nursing home vets that have been aquired through FA. Good luck with that.
     
  4. AMJets

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    Yankees low-mid level prospects are among the best in the baseball. Cano isn't Jeter, and Wang isn't Pettitte, but those two are among the weakest overall talents the Yankees have among their prospects.

    Other than Rivera, no single player the Yankees developed during their dynasty run are as good as the Yankees top two current prospects, Philip Hughes and Jose Tabata. Scouts compare Hughes to Clemens, and they will tell you that Tabata has the bat of Manny Ramirez, the range and glove of Andruw Jones (in his prime fielding years), and the speed of Jose Reyes. Within the next year or two he will be one of the, if not the number one prospect in all of baseball.

    There are more high impact players the Yankees have. It's not to say all these guys will develop into what they should be, especially Hughes and Tabata because the bar has been set so high, but they are not void of talent. Infact, by this time next year, their system will be talked about as one of the best in the game, that is unquestionable.
     
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    Imagesrdecieving Well-Known Member

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    Any good prospects that you have will be promptly traded at the deadline for more mercenary help.
     
  6. AMJets

    AMJets Well-Known Member

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    Actually, they won't. Cashman doesn't trade young, talented, high ceiling prospects for overpriced free agents. Tampa isn't running the show anymore, Cashman and Michael are. They understand how much talent the Yankees farm system has. They COULD trade one of the younger pitchers, only because the Yankee system is absolutely stacked with high ceiling arms, but this is a totally different mindset these days.
     
  7. Imagesrdecieving

    Imagesrdecieving Well-Known Member

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    since when? I'm not trying to be an ass - but it was only two seasons ago that the Yanks were trying to get Randy Johnson at the deadline but couldn't because they didn't have anything that zona liked at the time.

    so did it just happen recently that tampa isn't running the show anymore? and I thought ultimately Steinbrenner runs the show - reason why Sheff is in right instead of Vlad.
     
  8. Cakes

    Cakes Mr. Knowledge 2010

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    Now you're being reasonable.
     
  9. FITM

    FITM 2006 TGG.com Best Photoshop Artist Award Winner

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    Some are...some aren't.
     
  10. AMJets

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    Tampa was fully in charge after '04. Hell, Cashman has publicly said he didn't even know that the team signed Womack until he read it in the paper the next morning. The only reason Cashman re-signed this winter was because he made Steinbrenner put it in his contract that if a move is made over him, without letting him know or consulting him about it, he can get out of the contract. Randy Johnson, and Sheffield over Vlad, were Tampa moves.

    At the deadline in 2004, the Yankees didn't have anything Arizona liked, because their system didn't have much talent. But the Yankees have had two consecutively phenomenal drafts in 2004 and 2005, and have signed multiple international free agents (like Tabata). That's why their A level is loaded with talent all over, and is starting to carry over to AA.
     
  11. Exit 117

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    1 in every 1,000 aren't. They aren't even worth saying some.
     
  12. Imagesrdecieving

    Imagesrdecieving Well-Known Member

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    i thought sheffield was wholly steinbrenner's decision - no?

    didn't he take him out to dinner and negotiate the contract himself?
     
  13. boomer

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    Why is another one of these threads neccesary?
     
  14. AMJets

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    He was. I said Sheffield over Vlad was a Tampa move. Cashman wanted Vlad.
     
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    10Pennington10 I'd like to know how you're privy to all this inside information... you speak with such authority on these types of situations... you'd think you were a fly on the wall during these meetings. It's also interesting how it mirrors many of your comments on the Rangers except sub Maloney for Cashman and sub Sather/Dolans for George/Tampa.
     
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    Cakes Mr. Knowledge 2010

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    Are the Yankees the only team that makes key decisions far away (Tampa) from where the team actually plays?
     
  17. AMJets

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    The Rangers situation is just joining in on the fun Shade has with vinnyfan. I'm fully aware of Sather's capabilities as a scout, and what he can do when he's not overspending (like in Edmonton).

    I know all of this about Tampa and Cashman because it's been said in public.

    Bottom line, Cashman wasn't the man in complete control. He had the title of General Manager, but he wasn't making all the decisions. He was against Womack, who Damon Oppenheimer liked, and he was against signing Wright. Notice when Cashman talked about the Wright signing, he always said "Our scouts are the ones who liked him, and told the organization to sign him." And of course, it's public knowledge that Sheffield and Steinbrenner worked out a contract one-on-one, Cashman having no part in the talks.

    If you think Cashman was in charge, you're a fool. Cashman and Torre have stated publicly their frustration with Tampa making moves over them. When asked on both Kay's show, and Mike and the Mad Dog, if he had it put in his contract that he could leave if a move was made without consulting him about it, he said yes both times.
     
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  18. 28rogerblaze51

    28rogerblaze51 New Member

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    Are you a metfan? Are you a yankee fans?
    And if your not. Your from PA beat it bub.
     
  19. 28rogerblaze51

    28rogerblaze51 New Member

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    Ahahahahaha OK (said sarcastically)

    When are you metfans going to learn.
    When we fans argue or discuss about the mets and yankees its not really comparing teams really your not in our level, we argue and discuss with the fans, metfans are the ones who talk trash, and waste energy hating yankees fans smiles on our faces every year, our swagger every year, our shine every year, they get jeolous and hate.

    I do not hate the mets, they are boring to watch, maybe its the stadium or fans, but they are boring. I just like arguing with metfans who always have something to say about my yankees when they open theor mouth, or see us talking about the yanks.

    You had a chance at bragging rights in 2000, you lost therefore you get no bragging rights. Until you get back on top and face us in the world series.
     
  20. ButtleMan

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    What core of the Mets is homegrown? Pedro, Delgado, Kaz, Floyd, Beltran, LoDuca, Glavine, Trachsel, Zambrano,Julio, Wagner??????

    Wright, Reyes, Heilman & Diaz. Include Milledge if you want but the odds are that Heilman and Diaz will not make it through the season as Mets.

    Cano and Wang are a step in the right direction for the Yanks, Phillips and Crosby will contribute this year as back ups and Hughes and Duncan hopefully will stick around.

    Dont act like your the Rays. That is a team full of homegrown talent.
     

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