Yankees on Verge of Acquring Cliff Lee (Rangers trade complete)

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  1. Mr Electric

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    The Mariners actually got a damn good deal here.

    Justin Smoak should turn into a perennial All-Star. He's a big time power prospect.

    Blake Beavan has nasty stuff too.

    I'm really surprised at how bad Seattle is this year. I thought they'd be contend for a division title.

    ...and then we have the Rangers with one of the best records in baseball on the other end. This is a huge move that bolsters a pretty damn good rotation.
     
  2. ToonWalker

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    Absolutely.
    The Rangers are for real. Facing Lee in a short series would not be comfortable.

    Plus Hamilton and Guerrero are having huge seasons.
     
  3. Cakes

    Cakes Mr. Knowledge 2010

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    Smoak looked good when I saw him play and he came across very well in an interview.

    For a while in the offseason I, too, liked Seattle. Then when they never bothered to get a 3rd quality starter, I knew they were headed to also-ran status. There weren't many guys to get, of course. If they got Ben Sheets, I would have predicted them to battle Texas for 1st place. Once that did not happen, I picked the Angels for 2nd place.

    For me, the biggest surprises are San Diego and the Mets. I didn't think either of them would be any better than 77-85. It looks pretty good that both will finish over .500. That said, I would not bet on either to do so.
     
  4. jonnyd

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    Seattle is abunch of retards actually. sent prospects to get Lee in the first place, failed for a half season so now they trade Lee for prospects. Genius. Lets all make sure we rave about the Mariners front office. Get the fuck outta here.
     
  5. jonnyd

    jonnyd 2007 TGG.com Funniest Poster Award Winner

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    its just that simple huh? What a retarded comment. Who the fuck knows what this kid is going to turn into? He SHOULD be a perrenial all star huh? hahah
     
  6. Cakes

    Cakes Mr. Knowledge 2010

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    Yes, they are kind of retarded or at least seem to be. Their GM learned how to be retarded when he was with the Mets.
     
  7. jonnyd

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    Mr Electric thinks theyre a bunch of geniuses. Go figure.
     
  8. jonnyd

    jonnyd 2007 TGG.com Funniest Poster Award Winner

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    And you were exactly right in your prior post. Why bother getting Lee if youre not gonna add a third starter. You can maybe pull an Arizona and win with two studs in the playoffs but YOU HAVE TO GET THERE FIRST. Retarded.
     
  9. Cakes

    Cakes Mr. Knowledge 2010

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    He looks the part. Many highly-rated prospects come up and you watch the guy play and then ask yourself, "How the hell is this guy a highly-rated prospect?" I didn't ask myself that when I saw Smoak play. He's probably going to be good, but I won't make the leap and predict multiple All Star Game appearances.
     
  10. jonnyd

    jonnyd 2007 TGG.com Funniest Poster Award Winner

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    thats what Im sayin. Perrenial all star? Who knows. Cliff Lee perrennial all star? Yup
     
  11. Cappy

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    While there is always some degree of risk with prospects, Smoak is about as can't miss as they come.

    And despite the Mariners trading Lee half a season after they acquired him, they still made out on the deal. They got more than they gave up for him.
     
  12. jonnyd

    jonnyd 2007 TGG.com Funniest Poster Award Winner

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    dude, stop. No one knows anything. All we know at this point is that the Mariners traded for Lee six months ago for absolutely no fucking reason
     
  13. Cappy

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    Well, gee... I guess if no one knows anything, they shouldn't even bother trying to rank or scout prospects. Why make any trade? I mean, no one knows anything, right?

    Come on. There was a perfectly good reason they traded for him: they thought they'd be contending. Turns out they aren't. And since they aren't, and since they knew they weren't going to be able to afford to re-sign him in the offseason, they decided they'd rather get something for him now instead of a couple of draft picks in the winter. Is that what they were planning when they traded for him? No. But plans change.

    I'm not saying the Lee acquisition worked out for the M's, or that they're geniuses or anything. But it's not a total loss, either. They actually made out pretty damn well, all things considered. Let's put it this way: for as highly as most people think of Montero, Smoak is ranked higher in a lot of prospect lists.
     
  14. jonnyd

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    its not a total loss but it was retarded to trade for him in the first place if youre not gonna add the proper pieces around him. Soooooo now they have to re=trade if you will th ebset or second best pitcher in baseball for some crap shoots
     
  15. kinghenry89

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    Doug Fister's been an excellent 3rd starter actually. Though I imagine that they were counting on Bedard being healthy instead of Fister emerging from nowhere.

    The Mariners had a better than expected season last year, and they thought that they could repeat it. Unfortunately for them, a lot of their hitters have regressed, their bullpen's been unexpectedly terrible, and the Rangers and Angels have both been better than expected. Live and learn.
     
  16. Cappy

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    Exactly. Bedard is really the key here. As is the lack of offense. They thought they had what they needed. They were wrong. Shit happens. Doesn't mean they were idiots about it. It's easy to say they are after watching how their offense has performed, but no one was counting on that prior to the season... a lot of people were picking them to win the West.

    And jonny, if they're receiving crap shoots for trading him, then you also have to admit that they traded crap shoots to get him. Only the crap shoots they received in return for him are slightly less risky than the ones they traded away to get him. AND they got a few months of service for him. I really don't see the issue here.
     
  17. Jake

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    So you believe Smoak will do fuckall in the MLB is what you're saying?
     
  18. jonnyd

    jonnyd 2007 TGG.com Funniest Poster Award Winner

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    fuckall? not sure what fuckall is. What Im sayin is no one can make statement that any prospect will be a perrennial all star. HOw many "perrennial all stars"are there in baseball?
     
  19. Cappy

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    Well, to be fair, he said he should turn into a perennial All Star, not that he would.

    But, in any case, it's kind of silly to get hung up on the phrase "perennial All Star," especially considering that the ASG has become more of a popularity contest than a reflection of baseball skills.

    Like I said, he's about as highly touted of a prospect as there is.
     
  20. Don

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    The entire thing is ridiculous. He is nothing more than a 6 month rental. Texas can't possibly afford to keep him and the bankruptcy seems like it will go on for awhile. Besides that he had lunch with Sabathia yesterday planning on where he was going to live when he gets to NY. Instead of having to decide yesterday he has a few more months to look around.
     

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