Yankees @ Devil Rays April 23rd - April 24th

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  1. EcKo151

    EcKo151 Active Member

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    This team is a fucking train wreck. Myers serves up a grand-slam to Crawford, 6-3 DRays...

    How bad is this pitching situation from top to bottom? What a disgrace!
     
  2. typeOnegative13NY

    typeOnegative13NY Well-Known Member

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    this is ridiculous. Finally get a nice long outing from the SP,he leaves with the lead and its blown. Someone needs to go Paul Oneill on the watercooler like they give a shit.
     
  3. EcKo151

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    Nice to see Matsui show up tonight, as he singles home Abreu.

    I'm still absolutely stunned how bad this pitching is...
     
  4. plasticsloth

    plasticsloth Well-Known Member

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    how has wang been? i have been out and haven't watched or heard anything from teh game.
     
  5. EcKo151

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    Who's going to do that? Nobody on this team has that kind of fire...

    These guys go to their suites, private jets and move on to the next day, it's that simple.

    Guys don't run out grounders, show no emotion after a strikeout, they don't do shit. ARod, Jeter, Pettitte, and Posada have shown up this year and at least look like they're trying...I love Cano, but he just runs so nonchalant after a groundball and doesn't give his all, where is his power?

    Their are others who have showed up thus far, but right now i'm fuming at how this team is about to get swept by Tampa and lose 5 straight games.

    Oh yeah, Jeter left the game earlier after a HBP, how great is that?
     
  6. EcKo151

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    You really can't ask for anything more from Wang tonight...His sinker was live, mid-90s, good slider and got guys out...He did his job.
     
  7. EcKo151

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    5 straight losses. 8-11 on the year. 1-3 vs. Tampa on the year.

    Last place Yankees.

    What in the blue hell is going on?
     
  8. AlioTheFool

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    This is disgusting. It doesn't matter how well the starting pitching performs, the pen will destroy it.

    And of course Joe with his trademark micromanagement pulls Vizcaino to put in Myers to serve up a meatball. Thanks Joe, at least you're consistent.

    EcKo, your point about the laziness and uncaring is something I've been saying for weeks. This team is fully unmotivated. Where does that come from? Answer: The coaching staff. It's time for a change, end of story.

    This team makes me sick. It's the 80s all over again.
     
  9. Canadian

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    God damnit
     
  10. The Dark Knight

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    At least the Red Sox are losing also. Not that we should worry about them at this point but it is nice to see them lose a bit.
     
  12. Jake

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    Four Yankee relievers in top 5 in MLB for appearances. Looks like Joe is looking to burn out more than just one guy by September.

    Look what he did to poor Ron Villone, who was so solid for 3/4 of last year and didn't even crack the squad this year due to Joe's misuse of him.

    Clueless one, please let someone else handle the bullpen!
     
  13. Carl Spacklers Grass

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    as a Mets fan, there is little I enjoy more than a good Yankees Fan Early-Season Panic

    yes, the Yanks are a bad team right now, but they will get healthy and right the ship. And they NEED Bernie on this team but Cashman is just being stubborn
     
  14. Learn To Swim

    Learn To Swim 2008 Nightowltom "Best Non-Jets Poster" Award Winn

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    Has Bernie been working on a changeup or something? Offense ain't this team's problem.
     
  15. HCoftheNYJ

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    I don't get where Bernie would fit. When you have a 4th outfielder that needs to be getting consistant playing time like Cabrera, there's really no point.
     
  16. Barry the Baptist

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    For the 1st time I agree with you that maybe Torre isn't as great as he is cracked up to be. This loss falls on his shoulders but trust me, as much as I agree with you I have a smile from ear to ear watching the annual poor April by the Yanks followed by the panic button pushing by the fans. This isn't football, you can play .500 ball the 1st 2 months of the season and still have a legit shot to make the playoffs. Lucky for the Yanks the Red Sox follow up their sweep of you by getting killed by the Blow Jays. Maybe Toronto will make some noise after all.
     
  17. Don

    Don 2008 TGG Rich Kotite "Least Knowledgeable" Award W

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    I'm with you on that and we both agree Torre should go now. He can only hide behind his sunglasses asleep on the bench for so long. I think we fell 10 back and into last place in May of last year too. We can't expect everybody to collapse every year though while we try to dig ourselves out.

    Jeter didn't need to come out either, and probably didn't want to come out. That's Torre again being ultra careful. He will probably sit him out for the next 4 games too. All because of a flesh bruise.
     
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  18. AlioTheFool

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    See, I knew Jeter was coming out. I was saying it to my wife as he walked down to first. It's the way it is with the Yankees. Joe babies his "guys" and the pitching can go to hell.
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    I know Mets fans are getting a big kick out of this, but there's something they are wrong about. None of us are setting off fire alarms. We all realize that it's still way too early to worry. We're a good team, and we will be in the race in August/September.

    The biggest issue is the total misuse of the talent on this team. Last night, Vizcaino came in, and was doing just fine. Rather than let him just pitch, Joe brought in Myers for his "situational" appearance. So what happens? Myers gives up a grand slam.

    Micromanagement does not work. If a guy is getting outs, forget the damned formula. Let him do his job. Not to mention, our pen is catching up to our starters in innings pitched.
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    My comparison to the 80s, IMO, is valid. Back in the 80s, the Yankees could score. There was always sufficient power in the lineup, and there were guys who got on base. It was always terrible pitching that killed us.

    So to "fix" it, we're now bringing up kids that may or may not be ready. A quick band-aid to try to right the ship one more time for Joe. Well screw Joe. Obviously he isn't pushing these players.

    EcKo's point on Cano is one that's been made by myself and others over the past couple weeks. And Cano is not the only one. Melky just had a month to get his act together, and just never bothered. It's not like we don't know he has talent, but he made the return of Matsui a critical need, rather than a bonus.

    I think it's amazing our new hitting coach was able to calm down Alex, and return him to monster form, yet Cano and Cabrerra can't seem to lay off the first, no matter how far outside the pitch is. Is that a true credit to ARod, or is it telling of the attitude of these kids? I side with the latter.

    I'd love to hear junc's defense of Torre now. At this point, it seems painfully obvious to most people, now including other teams' fans, that Joe does not have what it takes to lead this team.

    It's time for a change. I want Mattingly to be the interim manager for the rest of the year. At the end of the season, he can be judged for the job he does over the course of the season. If he is a failure, Girardi can be pulled out of the booth, and we start from scratch next year.

    I've said before, I am fine with scrapping this entire year, if it means we are working on fixing things for the future. It just appears that the "win now" attitude is still too damned strong in upper management. All that attitude has ever done is make it harder to build for the future.

    That's why I'm disgusted.
     
  19. Don

    Don 2008 TGG Rich Kotite "Least Knowledgeable" Award W

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    Torre, in his sublime state of senility forgets that it was pitching and pitching alone that won him those four rings. You are right, he coddles his "boys" and lets the pitchers go to hell.

    I think Torre should be fired now. George knew it after last year and let Cashman talk him out of it. Cashman should go too. He got nothing but damaged goods for Sheffield. Vizcaino is ok but not worth Johnson's 17 wins a year two years in a row. Minor leaguers aren't helping the team now so I won't even count them.

    They could put Bowa on the bench and let Mattingly still tutor under him for the rest of this year and then take over next year. At least Bowa will have something to say to him.

    As far as conditioning, Arod and Matsui are in shape. Maybe Damon, Giambi and Posada look no worse then they looked last year. Jeter, Abreu, Cano and Cabrerra all look fat and slow compared to how they looked last year. That's not the fault of the new conditioning coach either, that's a personal issue with them.
     
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  20. AlioTheFool

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    I disagree about Cashman.

    AFAIK, it wasn't Cashman who wanted Joe back, it was George.

    Cashman did not get garbage in those trades. Joe's just been inept in his ability to use what he's given.

    And minor leaguers are the future for us. This team isn't getting old. It is old.
     

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