As o said, half his INTs, like that play pointed out, are be ause his balls are bigger than his brains.
He wasn't in bad spots all day long. 25% of his pass attempts came on 3rd and a short, a play the defense is on their feet for. A couple of his 2nd and long throws came after sacks. Would have to see play desgin, OL, Sanchez, WR, etc to really determine who is at fault for those sacks though. I don't think that game shows Sanchez's upside. I think it shows that, like we all knew, get a great running game and defensive effort, Sanchez looks good. The 1st NE game is the game that shows Sanchez's upside more so than any game last season. He makes stupid throws, yes. But he can complete those stupid throws and get in a really good rhythm. What am I putting on Sanchez, that he wasn't asked to do much? That isn't because of field position, it's because the week before Mark threw away 7 points in the RZ against SEA. It's because they didn't trust him. 2 trips into RZ and 6 run plays. He was not asked to bail out the run game the first 50 minites. We were up 6 in the 3rd quarter and ran the ball 3 times in the RZ to go up 13! His downside last season. He lets bad compound itself on bad and lets it affect him. I had 0% faith he was going to lead a game winning drive against TEN last year where 2 years ago I had 100% faith if he got the ball vs PITT we were scoring a TD. The resiliency isn't there anymore. I will hold off on a properly constructed passing game. His mistakes his first 4 years were all very similar, trying to do much without understanding game context. It's okay to throw the ball away, it's okay to spike a ball in the dirt on a blown up screen play. Honestly, if he gets better at situational awareness, the cuts down on a lot of negative plays.
Yes, a fair percentage of the throws were third and short...the gameplan was pretty much Greene on first, tebow on second, please bail us out on third....which is fine, because the Jets OL had a good day run blocking, but they gave up 3 sacks in the first half.,,and they were not protection sacks, they were quick suck sacks. And as I pointed out, he actually should have gone 18 for 20 with a modicum of help, and three more of those 15, were as perfect as you could ask for all over 15 yards, and in tight spots. Realistically, (10-12 more attempts per game) that kind of performance is his upside.. Can Mohrinwheg get that.,,,it remains to be seen...but given the shit hes been buried in, and where the organization drafted him, they would be doing themselves, and the player a disservice by not finding out,
By Rex saying today that Sanchez will get the first snap in training camp is short for "Its his job to lose" so no Sanchez isnt getting benched for good just yet
And you are making that seem like a good thing. A QBs intelligence is the most important factor. Its something thats hard to "coach up" as you so seem to think will fix Sanchez. What separates Drew Brees from Mark Sanchez? Its not his physical capabilities... If you guessed intelligence, you are right. Do you honestly think that a coach is going to completely turn around his career and mental capacity? I would take an intelligent QB any day over a physically talented QB who isnt smart.
Lets see about MArk Sanchez this season. But after this season if he doesnt improve I see no way Jets keep him.
Lacking context? :lol: We have almost 70 games worth of context to judge him. What have you been watching? What you call mitigating factors, most people call excuses. It's a strange coincidence that fans of teams being quarterbacked by guys like Aaron Rodgers, Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, Tom Brady, Big Ben, never seem to complain about their OC ... while you constantly complain about Schotty and Sparano. Funny how that works. A good friend of mine is a Redskins fan. For years I've heard her complain about what a dope Kyle Shanahan is. This past season ... not a peep. It's amazing how much Shanahan learned in one off-season. I never thought Schotty was as bad as most people on here said he was. I remember posting years ago in the Schotty Sucks thread that Sanchez was WAY too innacurate to keep drives alive and needed to improve ... and I thought he would improve. DEAD WRONG. He's as bad now as he ever was. I don't consider Schotty some offensive genius, but I do believe he's an adequate coordinator. Sparano ... not so much. I thought he was a terrible hire from the start, but that's still not an excuse for the putrid performance we got all season from Sanchez. In fact, the only reason Sparano was brought here in the first place was because the FO realized they couldn't count on Sanchez to carry a normal QBs workload. So they decided to hire this guy, hoping to revert back to MINIMIZING Sanchez's impact on the game ... IN YEAR FOUR! If that doesn't speak volumes, I don't know what does. There are 32 teams in the league, and your friend managed to rank 35th. Yes, I know ... the lack of talent. I'm sure the other 34 guys were throwing to all-pros. I supported Sanchez until it became ridiculous to support him anymore ... until it became IMPOSSIBLE to defend him anymore. I hoped he could be a viable NFL QB, until I could see it was hopeless. I started heading for the exit after last year's Giant's game. It was over for me the moment he threw that absurd goalline INT in Seattle. It was plain as day he's not a guy we can move forward with. He's awful. 90% of the fan fanbase have accepted that reality, and they've had their get-off-the-train moment at one point or another. Even the FO realizes it's time to move on, and you can be damn sure they would have already done it, if not for that albatross of a contract. The fact that you and a few others are still riding the train to nowhere is amazing to me. I bet if we could cut Sanchez tomorrow without any cap hit, about 75% of you holdouts would be jumping off the train with us. Deep down, most of you guys can't really believe he's a good quarterback.
:rofl2: talk about crapping away any sense of credibility..... You really meant to compare Schottenheimer to.....Mike McCarthy, tom Moore (really),sean payton,, Charlie Weiss, and Bruce Arians?????????? Funny how that works ...5 of the best offensive minds in the game, generally acknowledged, two of whom, Arians, and Moore are cosidered QB developing geniuses, Brees lost out to Philip Rivers, and hit greatness when? With the right coach.... Brady...great talent there...got taken in the sixth round got great when...with the right coach. Mannng has been coached to be an NFL QB since the day he was shat out of the womb....who beat him to 30 wins? Rodgers sat for how long? (and 30 wins) Rapelisbeger, same question.
The Jets have this backwards right now. Sanchez should have to win the job in training camp, not be the default option. Based on how he has played the last two seasons Sanchez should not be getting the first snap for them in OTA's this year. Rex should be having all the QB's in the room draw straws and let the lucky guy take the first snap but let the best QB win the job. I still believe the Jets should cut Sanchez after June 1st but I'll admit that I don't see the cap room to do that.
like rex is a reliable fucking source. that fucking guy couldnt tell the truth if his life depended on it. rex to me is dead, he is dead because he continues to go back to his wife fucker.
If Rex's lips are moving, he's probably lying at worst, exaggerating at best. Why do people still put stock in anything he says?
Can't lie if you're unsure of something... which is really what the QB situation has seemed to me since november, an unsure thing. He can't answer straight because there is no straight answer as of now. the talk of benching sanchez started when TT arrived, and got legitimized by abysmal play in november(as opposed to the mixed bag that was previous months) I don't think Rex gets a fair rep, the only reason people call him an idiot is for not handling a qb situation well, despite having no definitive answer to go on. he can't do it because he hasn't found it yet. partly his fault but not really, poor rex is in a damned if he does damned if he doesn't scenario in committing to anything.
What has Rex lied about? Not sure I can recall him lying about anything. Exaggerating, yeah that's his MO.
Your response is so full of holes I don't know where to start. I'll work backwards: Big Ben didn't sit. He started immediately and went 22-3 in his first 25 starts with a 65% comp% and a 98 Rating. I'd say that's slighly better than Sanchez, wouldn't you?? Rodgers sat behind a future Hall of Famer for three years, who the Packers couldn't wait to push out the door as soon as they could. You think maybe they knew they had something special in Rodgers?? 28 TDs 13 INTs and a 94 Rating in year one. Now I have to stop here to respond to the most ridiculous part of your argument: This isn't 1970. QBs get drafted and start immediately. Ever hear of RGIII, Luck, Kaepernick, Dalton, Wilson, Freeman, Flacco, Ryan, Newton etc.?? Stop using this as an excuse for Sanchez sucking after 4 years. And even worse, PLEASE stop implying that Aaron Rodgers wouldn't be great if he didn't sit behind an aging Favre for three seasons. A Completely ridiculous argument. He's a great QB, because that's who he is ... a GREAT QB. Oh, and BTW --- its a well know fact that Favre did nothing to tutor him and help along. But somehow, in your world those three years of sitting helped Rodgers? OK, sure. Anyway ... Manning took over the worse team in the league. You're seriously going to compare that situation to a guy who took over a loaded 9-7 team that was a Farve arm injury away from winning its division the year before? I'm sure Peyton stays awake at night tortured by losing the "30 win race" to Sanchez. Maybe he's comforted by knowing he went 13-3 in his second year and led his team to the playoffs the next 11 out of 12 seasons. Brady sat because he was a late round draft choice behind a multi-year starter who p[layed in SB. The minute he got his opportunity he started to win his own Super Bowls. Drew Brees got beat out by Rivers and only became great after going to NO?? Is that how it happened?? I hate to confuse you with facts but his last two seasons in SD he threw for 51 TDs 22 INTs hit 65% completions both years and had QB Ratings of 105 and 90. Yeah ... he really played his way out of the lineup with those dreadful years. Or just maybe it had something to do with injuring his shoulder. You don't think he would have been great if he stayed in SD?? This argument is silly. All those guys have one thing in common - TALENT. They were good from Day 1 because they all can play at a high level. Sanchez has been bad from Day 1 because he can't. They succeeded because they had the talent to live up to, or exceed their draft expectations. You really think the difference lies in the coaching? Sir ... please stop. And BTW ... hasn't Tom Moore been here? I sure wish I had all your credibility :sad:
My pretty sure you are missing his point. Just my opinion. You fail to mention all of those QBs had good coaching to go along with their respective talents. Not saying MS should be the QB but you need to understand all of the factors in developing a QB. Sent from my SCH-I535 using Tapatalk 2
I'm not missing his point. He's made every excuse under the sun for why Sanchez has ranked at the bottom of the league every year. Coaching is just one more excuse. Sanchez has played poorly because he just isn't a very good player. The Jets whiffed on the pick ... it happens. Sticking with him for another year does nothing except waste another year. You could bring in the best coach on earth and it wouldn't make him a good player. Would it make him better than he's been? Maybe a little. Would it make him GOOD? No way ... certainly not to the level where you'd want to go forward with him as your centerpiece. Schotty and Sparano are his scapegoats. Just for shits and giggles, let's take a look at how Sam Bradford did under Schotty in 2012 compared to what he did under his previous OC: Yards - 3,702 ... Career High TD's - 21 ... Career High TD% - 3.8 ... Career High Hmmm ... a trend seems to be developing here ... Y/A - 6.67 Career High Rating - 82.6 ... Career High Comp % - 59.5% ... NOT A CAREER HIGH! (he hit 60% in 2010) Goddamn Schotty!! How can any QB be expected to succeed under your blanket of incompetence??? :breakdance: Schotty / Bradford put up those career highs while playing 9 games against the Top 12 defenses in the league ... and 8 games against the TOP 8 passing defenses. He may not be the greatest offensive mind in the league, but he also wasn't the problem. I suspect if you teamed up Schotty with any of the QBs I mentioned in the previous post they would be just fine. Talent always rises to the top. It's not the gasoline ... It's the engine.
truthbetold, it's clear to everyone that you are a zealot hater of Sanchez. nothing he does is ever good enough even though he carried the team to 4 playoff win and within doorstep of the superbowl. one of the most successful qb in the history of the franchise 4 years into the league and it's still not good enough for you. obviously you are projecting some deep seeded sense of inadequacy onto Sanchez when you should be examining what's going on with you instead.
Ill answerthat with the easiest example. Tampon Bay, thought Steve young sucked enough to let another team have him. He sat on the bench, got coached up and became what? A Super Bowl winner, and a Hall of Famer? Coaching counts.
