You seem to have Okung lower then a lot of other people do on their boards and I don't think I've seen many with your tackle order. What's the rationale?
I'm not as high on Russell Okung as most. Sometimes Okung looks very good and other times he's medicore (looks asleep at the wheel) and very inconsistent. Needs to do better runblocking and I question his strenght. I'm not thrilled with OT's at the top of this draft, there is no Joe Thomas type. There are question marks with all Rd 1 OT's in this draft. I do like Charles Brown's upside (probably have him ranked higher than I should) and Brian Bulaga's ability to be an outstanding RT. Campbell has had injury concerns, if he can stay healthy he will be a good Pro. IMO, no Future Pro-Bowlers in this draft class. I don't follow the 'Herd" in making my rankings, I go by with what I see on the field.
Great post. I'm with you on Russ Okung. There's not elite offensive tackles in 2010, but there's a lot of athleticism at the position. Okung and Brown are pretty athletic for their size and could fit well in the right scheme. I can definitely see Russ Okung getting man-handled by big time pass rushers.
This year's OTs are slightly disappointing. There is some good depth and players that should contribute on a NFL roster. I really believe we will see a run on OT's in the 10-18 range of the fisrt round.
Ras-l Dowling cracked my top 50...with McDaniel staying in school. CBs have been rising on my Top 50, still a weak class.
Updated My Top 50........Post #1. 1/16/10 Deleted some players that didn't declare and added a few new players. Remember this isn't a mock...my rankings of the Top 50 Comments welcome.
I'd switch Morgan and Hardy. Hardy's the much more elite talent, his only problem being injuries. Morgan did have one hell of a season though... Big Donovan Warren fan, and I also fee like Graham should be higher since I think he's the kind of guy who makes himself a factor. Michigan players are tough, even with that twat Rodriguez. Spikes is too high at 17, though I feel he'll be a good pro. He's in that group of good LBers who've fallen to the early or mid 2nd just because they're inside/middle LBers. Bailey's not in the draft, and he feels like a Gholston type. I'm pegging Dwyer to the Chargers now. If he drops weight back into the 230 range he'll be awesome again.
No Way!! Hardy has an injury history and hasn't been as productive. Hardy is an awesome talent, but injuries keep him back. Hell, Gresham should be rated higher for the same reason. You're basing it on the potential of Hardy. I'm a big Graham fan, this isn't my last Top 50, it's fluid and will change in the coming weeks. You're finally admitting Gholston was a bust and not worth being drafted at #6? Thanks, didn't hear Bailey was staying.
The injury history yes...unproductive is relative...the guy led a highly ranked SEC D in sacks this year while playing injured and about to get even more injured. He led them up until his injury. Hardy's not all potential, he's a very good player who'd probably be the unquestioned #1 DE if he wasn't injured. I'll admit I understand the Morgan ranking due to his production and athleticism plus his lack of injuries. Graham I really like in our D. I'm not admitting anything on Gholston. The Jets aren't, and I've seen less of him than they have since he did a decent job filling in for Pace. When I say "Gholston type" I mean the kind of guy who'll come off as a weird (comes from a ridiculously small, secluded area) to us normal folks...but his physical prowess will have people all "he should produce yesterday"...he'll then get knocked and called a bust and probably break out in his mid-20's as the league slows down for him...if he's still in the league which I totally see him doing.
100% agree....Graham would be a very good fit. You really think Gholston did well filling in for Pace? Did you see the 1st 4 games?? Hardly had an impact in all 4 games. The Jets won 3 of the 4 games Gholston started...not because he was on the field. I would have more respect for you, if you could admit you were wrong. One of the main reasons you piss off so many on this draft board...you have contempt for your fellow posters. Everything you and I went round and round about Gholston has come true........can't play OLB, no passion and desire. I told you Gholston was going to be bust , long before the Jets drafted him. What's amazing, I live in Columbus and have seen every game of Gholston's career and you blew off my POV. D-Ware...a little advice...you need to be less myopic.
I'm not really sure about Dymarius Thomas being so high (then again I cant think of anyone off the top of my head to take his spot), not only do I have questions about his hand but his route running, he played in a triple option where the passing game was irrelevant unless it had to be, so while I haven't seen every GT game, I think its fair to assume he never spent alot of time running conventional routes
That really doesn't matter to them I'm sure, he didn't embarrass himself. I'm sure if he started 16 games he wouldn't end up with 0 sacks, that just seems crazy. I do not have contempt for my fellow posters. Wtf did I even say there? Dude, Gholston's hasn't even been in the league for 2 years, and he's been playing football for less than a decade. Physically, he's still a beast and it's not ridiculous to think that there's a steep devleopment curve at the DE/OLB position. Mike Vrabel sucked for a while and he set the sack record at Ohio State that Gholston broke. James Harrison finally caught on in his late 20's. Wimbley had a good rookie year, and fell off a cliff until this year becaus The Steelers in the last couple of years have stashed both Timmons and Woodley away after drafting them to let them develop at the position. Ryan himself often stockpiled big, fast guys at LB and brought them along behind his gang. Considering the the nature of what I think of the position experience, game or not, in the league is a major factor. I realize Gholston will catch sh*t for being the 6th overall pick, but if he were to break out my guess is he'd break out pretty big. Considering the defense is so good without him right now and we have Rex Ryan coaching him I think he ends up a decent player for us. Hell, maybe even a very good one. It doesn't kill me that it's not now. I'm not going to hold it against a 23 year old that had a pretty decent NFL resume (OSU sack record, physical freak, good, if not quiet, kid) that he was picked 6th overall. I'm not even going to hold it against him because he gets alot of money. That just seems hater-esque. And shit dude, I did not blow off your point of view. That seems like a harsh accusation based solely on the fact that I didn't and don't fully agree with you. I am annoyed that Gholston hasn't shown more. Hell, I'll even admit that if he does nothing tomorrow I'll be all "what an asshole." Doesn't mean I think he's set on being this way. This does not mean I have fucking contempt for you. Maybe you're just overly offended by my stance on Gholston? A little bit of advice...take a step back. You're way too offended by nothing.
Lawrence Timmons is an inside linebacker, and he didn't play much as a rookie because he backed up Larry Foote and James Farrior - two very talented 3-4 inside backers. Lamarr Woodley had 4.5 sacks during his rookie season...as a reserve. Don't compare either of these guys to Gholston. Also, Rex Ryan didn't draft Vernon Gholston, so the fact that Ryan brought in big, athletic linebackers has nothing to do with Gholston. A harsh accusation? Really DWare? Anytime someone disagrees with you, you bash their views. It's not that we're offended that you still think highly of a definite bust...it's that we don't like that fact that you think everyone (and it is EVERYONE) that calls him a bust is an idiot. ...anyway Great edits WW - I'm sure the list will become a lot more clear after the Shrine Game and the Senior Bowl. Von Miller's another guy you have to remove from your list...for some reason, he decided to stay at A&M. He would've been my top pass rusher in this draft.
Timmons was a college LB who took snaps at DE alot at FSU. Yes, he had the easier transition, but many people called him extremely raw coming out. http://www.warroomreport.com/draft/rankings/olb/timmons.htm Yes, but it's more than stats. Woodley was a far more experience player. Woodley still didn't play much as a rookie. Except that he's currently coaching him... Yep Nope, but you do. No, I don't. Internet insecurity much? Did anyone besides WW remember that I debated Gholston with him a year+ ago? I thought Von Miller was coming out too.
D-Ware, First, you offer some good insight with your knowledge to the TGG's draftboard. I'm not offended about your stance on Gholston. What offends me is your "High Horse" attitude...which is a form of contempt...thinking your better than all. You have a difficult time admitting you're wrong. So go on believing Gholston is going to be everything you thought. I really get along with everyone on this site. I'm not jumping on you because Mr E and yourself are also getting into shit...I don't have E's back, as you suggested in another post. I do respect E's opinion and we don't always agree. Respect is the key word!!!! You have been away 1 year and you come back with the same attitude..it sucks. I don't expect you to agree with my opinion, but you have absolutely no respect form anyone else's. I've been on this Draftboard longer than you and intend on being here after you're gone. I guess you shouldn't reply to my posts, or I should put you on ignore...either is fine by me.
Thank you. No. Why would I admit I'm wrong on something that isn't done yet? D'you take the step back? Re-read the fights that have occurred since I've come back and look at what triggered them. I'm not talking shit. Maybe I don't have an attitude and it's all in your head? All this because sometimes we disagree? I intend on being here as long or longer than you. I replied to your post just fine. This: is not an attack. This is not speaking down to you. This is a fucking post. It's just a post with my clearly and completely non-threatening opinion. Just like the other million posts that are just non-threatening opinions.
Updated my top 50!!! Post #1 I like to tweak the Top 50 once a week. DBs have been my biggest risers. Jerry Hughes has been falling like a rock.
