I'm not a huge Hogan fan either, but for a smart developmental QB in a late Rd, it's not a bad decision. I can't believe Kellen Davis is on the squad, he's terrible. I wouldn't draft another TE, Gailey just doesn't use them. I rather have an extra OG on the roster and use them in certain plays. Cumberland doesn't blow, he's average at best, he just isn't being utilized.
The Tom Brady example again? Oh geez. He's one in a billion while there are hundreds and hundreds of late round picks at every position that become starters. Why not just get an UDFA to groom as a backup. Romo was an UDFA. Kurt Warner was an UDFA. There are plenty of jag QBs floating around to serve as backup rather than wasting a 5th round pick that could be a solid starting guard or a productive RB or star WR or a good ILB. IMHO it's a total waste. Plus I don't think Hogan is very good. _
As high as I am on Jason Spriggs, - I'm becoming more & more convinced that if Reggie Ragland is available when we pick in the 1st round, - we should dash to the podium with his name written on a piece of paper. BPA, safe pick & a clear need pick as well.
Anyone think Demarcus Robinson can be had late in the draft? Love his route running and ability to cut. He's been suspended a few times so I'm wondering how much he will fall.
At least Davis can block, which is something none of the other TEs can do. I truly believe that if Gailey was presented with a solid two-way TE, he would use him. He's not stupid. He likes to create mismatches. I think the reason he hasn't used them is he hasn't had one that was a real weapon. If he had another big target who could also block, it would make the offense less predictable and more dangerous. It would be another weapon at his disposal. I know he used to like to run a lot of 3, 4 and 5 WR sets, but if he doesn't have that here, but has a TE who could replace one of those WRs, he'd use him. I had high hopes for Cumberland, but I no longer think he's even average. I think he's pretty awful. He can't block, can't get open, and drops too many passes. I think the Jets can cut him and save a million or two on the cap.
I get that you don't like Hogan. Would you object to drafting another QB if it was one that you liked? If he could possibly develop and then the Jets let Petty and he compete for the starting job and then trade the loser to another team for a #2 or maybe even #1 pick?
Ragland was the other player I was considering in Rd 1. I was a big Hightower fan a few years back and wanted the Jets to draft him, I think Ragland is going to be a better pro.
If You go back and study Gailey over the years, he really doesn't involve TEs too much. Not looking good for Amaro next year.
But did he ever have a good one? Is it a matter of his not using them because he didn't have a good one, or he had some good ones, just chose not to use them?
But they do use blockers to open up the running game and open up the seams though as seen with Enunwa. The blocking TE would provide useful special teams play and more importantly be used as both a goal line option and be used as a blocker down the field.
Idk I'm just not a fan of taking a QB this year, really don't love the class. I don't see anyone near as good as Petty. Maybe Lynch will become a star or maybe he'll fail at the next level so it doesn't bother me that someone before us will take him-like it bothered the piss out of me with Teddy and Carr (and us not having a shot at Mariota). Ideally if I'm drafting a QB high its a guy who's been a stud for 2-3 years in college with a very high upside. Guys I'd draft later have issues that make them slide but also have a high upside--like Petty. Drafting a mediocre QB who will never amount to anything more than a solid backup is, IMHO, a waste better spent on any other position. _
OK, fair enough. I agree with you about not drafting mediocre players and hoping they develop. I also agree that if one drafts a QB high, he should have been a stud playing at a very high level for at least two, if not three years, and have a lot of upside. I was referring to the middle category, the guys who have issues that cause them to slide, but who also have a high upside. I haven't seen enough of Hogan to know if the truly fits in that category, but I'm leaning in that direction. He definitely has some issues and inconsistency. I don't know about his arm strength and accuracy, but if they're there, with his smarts, size, and I think upside, he has a chance to develop into at least a very good backup, if not a poor man's Fitz.
I compare him to Mettenberger but not in a favorable way. I think Mett has a massive arm, was throwing accurate lasers his senior year and I was very interested in him and when he went down with the ACL he was the perfect candidate to take later in the draft. Could have been a gamble with a huge upside. I still think he's going to be a starter in this league in a year or 2. I'm not getting anything from Hogan that indicates a big upside so it's not worth the pick. _
Great draft, particularly the first two picks. Fitz is confirmed as costing a 6th as per: http://espn.go.com/newyork/nfl/stor...round-pick-houston-texans-qb-ryan-fitzpatrick
Think we'll go heavy at OL, LB, RB.......if given the opportunity. Especially OL........lets get younger in there and let those guys get experience before the post Fitzpatrick QB takes over - whoever that is.
Did anyone see Brandon Doughty's bowl game? I could have watched it and totally forgot about it. I'm pissed. I wanted to see him play.
I agree about the QB class not being that exciting. Nevertheless, there is always the possibility that one of the top three (Goff, Lynch, Cook), all considered 1st round material, could fall to the Jets drafting in the middle 20's. What do you do then? After watching Bridgewater demolish the Giants the other night, how things may have been different here had the Jets taken him instead of Pryor two years ago?
I'm just not a fan of any QB this year. It's 2013 all over again. Goff has a mediocre arm and is scrawny, Lynch just isn't that good and Cook is inaccurate and unathletic with bad footwork. I honestly think Petty is much better than any of them. He's got a better arm than any of them, is more athletic and is probably as accurate as Goff with a bigger frame. His biggest issue is the style of offense he was in and the lack of huddling, snaps under center and drop backs. He's been doing that for a full year at NFL practices so I think a lot of that may have been addressed. _
