Haha, nice. I liked Braylon. Marshall is about the same thing with better hands. I'll never forget the ball bouncing off of Braylon's face mask.
Harry Douglas and Brian Hartline can be added to the list of FA WRs. Hartline is an interesting pick up. He has great hands and runs good routes. Neither one really helps replace Harvin or gives us a reliable #2
I would take either of them. Hartline is the more reliable receiver but Harry Douglas could be very good in the spread offense. For the right price, why not?
Bogus. You KEEP dynamic play makers if at all possible, especially when you O has none. So you wanna cut him and recoup your 4th? Who ya gonna draft with a 4th round pick to replace the likes of Harvin? Ans: no body. We already have Kerley in the slot and a need for a #2 WR, so move Harvin to the outside where he wants to play. As far as paying for Harvin? Cut him, let him test the market, then resign him for $6M. Having Decker/Harvin on the outside and Kerley/Amaro on the inside is a nice group of receivers and they're already on the team. We can still draft a good tall WR in the 3rd to groom.
Huh? If I thought we could get Harvin back after we cut him for cheaper than fantastic sign me up but I don't see it happening since we would be putting him in the slot more than likely since that is where he has been most productive and he wants to play outside. New England would likely be his first choice, not to mention he IS injury prone that is not up for debate. I'm not nearly as concerned about the fourth as I am the $ and the fact that there are so many options out there that would have the same production. 350 yards and 1 TD in half a season? Getting paid like a 1,200-1,500 yard a season guy? No thanks when guys like Cobb, Marshall... are out there and studs at #6
I really don't want to turn this in to a Harvin thread as it seems realistic Harvin will be gone and there are better options out there that may be had for less. Since 2009 Harvin has 4,687 rushing and receiving. 781 per yr. Since 2011 Cobb has 3,301 rushing and receiving. 825 per yr. Since 2006 Marshall has 9,889 rushing and receiving. 1,098 per yr. Since 2009 Brian Hartline has 4,308 rushing and receiving. 718 per yr. How do we replace Harvin's production as a WR/RB type gadget player For a fraction of the price? How about this: Since 2010 CJ Spiller has 4,516 rushing and receiving. 903 per yr. Then sign a true outside WR and or draft one in White or Cooper
We need to draft a QB in round 1 if both QB's are gone, or in round 2 if we draft Mariota/Winston in round 1. We whiffed last year in one of the deepest receiver drafts in history and this one looks to be just as good. Praying Strong falls to us in the 2nd. I am good with Strong, Decker, Kerley and Harvin at 6 million a year.
I couldn't agree more on Amaro. I never wanted him either, and made a lot of posts around this time last year echoing those exact sentiments.
I almost totally agree, but not quite. Most of the time that is true or should be, but imo there are exceptions to that. Let's say that the Jets re-sign both Snacks and Ellis at NT, then for some weird reason, Leonard Williams drops to #6. Even though many, if not most, think he is THE best player in the draft, it would be stupid of the Jets to take him imo. He would in effect be a wasted pick. The Jets already have two very good players at NT. Therefore, they'd need to trade down OR if they couldn't trade down, take the 2nd BPA imo. They could take Williams in hopes that they could trade Snacks or Ellis after the draft, but they'd have no leverage and get little in return, which would downgrade taking Williams in terms of improving the roster.
I basically agree with you. You don't want a GM who is viewing the pick primarily in terms of his future job security. But the reality is GMs know that if they whiff on a QB in the top 10, they're probably not gonna be around for too long. Perhaps things are changing with the rookie wage scale, so it's not as much of a hit financially and doesn't set your franchise back (or stall it's progress) for like 5 years like it used to (i.e. Joey Harrington, David Carr, Sam Bradford). The franchise QB when you don't have one trumps all, no matter who is on the board (unless you are talking Lawrence Taylor, say). If the Jets take Mariota at #6, I won't bash the pick. I'll be rooting for him to be great. If Jets pass on Mariota and he does become the next Russell Wilson, that would certainly feel worse, and be a lot more devastating to the franchise and fanbase, than having passed on a young Reggie Wayne (Amari Cooper). When you have a truly elite QB, you don't need stud WRs. You just need competent role players that can do their jobs. The 64-million dollar question is what is Mariota? Is he Geno Smith, Ryan Tannehill, Colin Kaepernick, Russell Wilson?? To me he looks like Tannehill, which you could argue would still warrant taking him at #6 overall (even though I wouldn't do it). I think if you put Tannehill on the Jets last year, we probably finish closer to 8-8.
Agreed. You can't entirely ignore team needs and current roster composition when deciding who to draft, especially that high. Assuming Snacks is re-signed, if by some freak chance Williams drops to #6, you probably look to trade down with Atlanta, the NYG, Cleveland, or any other team that's not too far down and is desperate for DL help.
Even under an unlikely circumstance such as this. If the times running out and a deal isn't there to trade down, i take Williams. There is no such thing as too deep at any one position, and all though it may not pay big dividends in the upcoming season it will long term. especially with a high pick, taking the bpa is a must.
I really want to agree with you and I would have a hard time passing on a talent like Williams but if you just signed those two to long term deals then I don't see how taking Williams would benefit the team next season or long term because you will have three starters locked up for 5 years or so at the same position. True you can trade one next year but not for the talent you can get at the #6. Having all pro talent rotating in is great but I just can't see adding to a strength when you are able to vastly improve a position of need at OLB or WR BPA or not.
If he was capable of playing a full season I would have no problem with them keeping him because like you said he is a dynamic player but I just don't know about paying 10.5 mil to someone who is always injured If we cut him and resigned him for less I wouldn't be mad at that but he will go to another team if he hits the market I would think
The reality is also that if the GM passes on a QB who goes on to become a franchise QB for another team, if not a star, could very well be out of a job as well because he failed to find that franchise QB. It's a matter of damned if you do and damned if you don't, but imo it's ALWAYS better to go down swinging than be passive or afraid. As we all know, QB is THE most important position. Star WRs, OLBs, CBs don't mean shit if you don't have at least a good QB. That should be every GMs prime motivation and focus if his team doesn't have one.
This is where we part ways and have to agree to disagree. There IS such a thing as having a position too deep, if you have huge, glaring holes at other starting positions because you ignored them and took a player you didn't need. Yes, injuries happen and all that, but more times than not, the pick would be wasted. There's not enough playing time for all three of those players. It would be ridiculous imo to have two of them sitting on the bench, when you have a glaring hole at another position and you could have taken a player at that position, who while maybe not quite as good as Williams, was plenty good and better than anyone else on your roster at that position. Your approach is blindly and slavishly adhering to a guiding principle, and that is never good.
That is the crux of the matter. So Williams is the best player in the draft. By how much...a tenth of a point? three hundreds of a point? a half a point? Even if it's a point or three, the difference is marginal, and I think a GM would have to be nuts to take Williams instead of taking the second BPA or trading down a spot or two.
I'd rather draft one of the stud pass rushers and pick up Cobb and someone else in FA. I think we can still get a good WR in round 2.
