I'll bet if you crunched the numbers you'd find that you have a much better shot at a solid QB early in the first round than anywhere else. That's where my mind is. And we all know about the obvious exceptions, so save them. I'm talking about statistically a better chance.
Not really. Yes, sometimes one can find great talent in the lower rounds and/or as UDFAs, but how often does that really happen? I can think of only two really good/great QBs Tom Brady (6th round) and Kurt Warner (UDFA, I believe) who were found that way. Not many are found outside of the first round. The same thing goes for elite pass-rushing OLBs and DEs, LTs, CBs and great Safeties.
i respect the opinions of u folks declaring that W's are most important and u are right, in a pure sense...... However, in seasons such as this one - which are close to unraveling at the seams with a miracle chance at best in making the post season and feeling good about the team.... at this point, i personally could care less about the W-L and would like to see the highest draft pcik possible - just to give us some intrigue for the offseason. i am sure this view wont sit right with the statists on board but after 33 years of bleeding green u have a good sense of when to pull the plug and put the stress meter away.
You play to win the game. You can always miss on draft picks or fail to adequately deveop said draft picks. I'd prefer to finish 7-9 or 8-8 and build on something than finishing 3-13 and have to gut everything. As for 'gift penalty' wins, we still had ot make the field goal. That isn't automatic
I hate how fans seem to care more about the draft than actual games, they draft to WIN games. The draft is a crapshoot, you can go 1-15 and wouldn't be guaranteed a great player.
Yes, you play to win the game, but if you don't have the talent you aren't gonna win many games. 7-9 or 8-8 are the definition of mediocrity. No thanks. It may be a safer route to go, but one doesn't achieve greatness by taking the safe route, and it's very difficult, if not impossible to find the talent that one needs to get over the top and reach the elite level. I'd much rather go 3-13 one season and hope, if not expect, to get the talent in the draft that can help turn the franchise around so that within a year or two, the team is capable of winning at least 9-10 games regardless of who they play. Yes, one can miss on draft picks or fail to develop said draft picks, but if that happens, then you know that you need to replace the scouts and/or GM and/or the CS. Every scout and GM misses. The problem is that some miss a lot more than others. Teams have to have GMs and scouting departments that know how to identify talent. There are also coaches who know how to teach, develop and motivate young players. One has to find them. If an owner is content to go 7-9 or 8-8 on a regular basis, then that says that the team doesn't have either the GM and Scouting Dept. it needs or the CS that knows how to develop the talent the GM acquires for the team. Until those two things are fixed, a team has no realistic chance of winning anything. It's all an illusion. One is then reduced to fantasy or "hoping" a team can get lucky or get hot.
It's not about caring more about the draft than the actual games, but it is understanding that the draft is how one builds a winning team that can remain competitive. With the cap, no team can stay elite for that long. Each team has a window in which they can win, then their top players' salaries get so high that eventually they have to release or trade some of those players and re-tool. In order to get to the top, one has to have certain elite talent at key positions. If one doesn't have the GM and/or scouting dept. that can find and acquire that talent, then one isn't going to win man games. You can't acquire talent by winning games. Once games are won or lost they are in the past and really only affect that one season. Players/talent OTOH can be with a team for multiple seasons and can greatly affect a team's ability to compete at a high level and remain competitive over a period of years.
that is a once in a lifetime type of talent(who, by the way, is really struggling since Wayne went down). let's check other #1 picks since 2000: 2000: Courtney Brown, terrible. 2001: Michael Vick- solid player, worth tanking for? no way. 2002: David Carr 2003: Carson palmer-good before knee injury, never the same since. Not worth tanking for 2004: Eli manning- good player, not worth tanking for 2005: Alex Smith- decent vet 2006: Mario Williams- ok pass rusher 2007: Jamarcus Russell 2008: Jake Long 2009: Matthew Stafford 2010: Sam Bradford so basically one time this century has there been a player worth tanking for. Good odds. talented team that need guidance much like our 1996 team.
I understand but you aren't going to be any better drafting higher if you don't have the right people drafting. If you do have the right people drafting it doesn't matter where you draft.
None of those guys got drafted because their teams "tanked" except for Luck. Those teams, and their lousy talent evaluation depts, whiffed on their picks. Given some of those names on that list, you couldn't really call it a whiff as I count perhaps 3 bums out of all those guys. I'm not saying the Jets will hit a homerun with their first round or even their second, but I like their odds better with the higher draft picks assuming they don't draft any more Milliners or Blair Thomasess or other such drek. To use a more everyday analogy, you'd rather buy your groceries before they spoil. You'd rather a Prime Cut of meat than not. If you could afford it, you'd buy the nice car over the hoopty. Opportunity is what we're talking about here and although its not a guarantee, its better than bottomfeeding any day of the week. The Jets have been mediocre for far too long and if the chance to draft a bluechipper comes along, we'd all better pray they don't screw it up.
Once in a lifetime situation for the Colts and if the Jets ever tried something like "Suck for Luck", you know it would be a disaster for us I don't know about you but I've been following the Jets since '64 Aside from the late 60s, when did luck (both literally & figuratively) ever come our way in the draft
BTW, just to refresh everyone's memory, 1980 Jets & Giants both go 4-12 Giants get the second pick, we go third, based on strength of schedule I believe Jets pick Freeman McNeil... a great Jet. A rare non-bust first round running back for us Giants pick LT, merely changing the entire history of the franchise Jets don't have great success on draft day, either by chance or design I would never trade a win for some perceived advantage in the draft
I could be wrong, but we got lucky with Namath, McNeil, Walker, Toon, Schuler, Ellis, Abraham and others so it is possible for the Jets not to fck up a draft. Seriously, even a stopped clock is right twice a day. At some point you have to believe we'll get it right. We did have some successes but for the longest time, we used our DP's as bargaining chips. I wouldn't describe our scouting dept as being the sharpest although at this point, you might consider them functional and that's being kind. We have over 10 picks (?) this draft counting the compensatory picks so out of that, even if we get 2 quality starters and 2 quality backups, I'd consider a 40% success rate good given our history. Anything over that I would consider a bonus.
See my subsequent post about drafting McNeil:grin: I'm just saying that with the Jets history, I just wouldn't tank games to get a better draft pick
The irony is, the Jets don't have to tank. All they have to do is keep playing at the same level they've played at all year to achieve the same result. Knowing the Jets luck, the League would crush the Jets if they ever thought the Jets actually tanked. Funny isn't it.. Stay the course and win by losing..
Ideally I think we go 1-3 down the stretch with 3 close, hard fought losses where Rex has a good enough argument to get one more shot. Geno continues to play horrendous because there's no way he's ready to compete within the next 2 years which is time we don't have to waste and we end up around the 8-10 pick where there's still a shot at the 2nd or 3rd QB on the board. Maybe also pool 2 fourth rounders and a fifth rounder together, trade up and wind up with 3 picks in the early/middle third round leaving a solid chance to get 4 immediate contributors including the 2nd rounder, (not a big loss considering all the comp picks). Add at least 2 solid FA's (higher than minimum and near minimum salaries), and maybe 3-4 of them if Cromartie is cut along with Holmes and Sanchez. Hope the big draft and FA puts enough talent on the roster to develop the new QB and not destroy yet another one psychologically. The ideal strategy is easy and straightforward enough other than producing 'pretty' losses, guessing it'll still get fucked up though.
who is the once in a generation talent available? maybe Clowney but he has many questions about his work ethic. You can get good players no matter where you draft. best QB of this generation? drafted in 6th rd By the way, the last time we earned the #1 pick was after the 1996 season and everyone thought some kid named Peyton Manning would be there for us except he decided to stay in school b/c BP wouldn't guarantee he'd take him.
