Would you trade up to get a top Edge rusher?

Discussion in 'Draft' started by KingRoach, Dec 29, 2021.

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How bad do you want a top EDGE

  1. 2nd Tier is fine

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  2. #4 plus both 2nd rd picks

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  1. mrjet80

    mrjet80 Well-Known Member

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    I heard Garoppolo might not even play Sunday? Houston might very well win.
     
  2. mrjet80

    mrjet80 Well-Known Member

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    What if both pass rushers are gone and Carolina wants to trade up for a QB to bump Houston and the Jets are sitting at #3? Move down four slots to #7 - with another at #8 or #9 (Seattle’s pick) - wonder what Carolina would offer? The Jets would still be getting 2 top players maybe an OL and Hamilton? Or Karlaftis (assuming JD thinks he’s a fit)

    EDIT: I just looks at the Panthers draft picks - they have nothing in 2022 to trade other than the #7 pick. LOL. So obviously talks start with the #1 pick in 2023…. That would be quite a deal just to move down 4 spots in a draft where the Jets can fill several holes …
     
  3. FJF

    FJF 2018 MVP Joe Namath Award Winner

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    Anyone wanting to come up to the top 4 the talks start at next years 1. I doubt Carolina would do it since they have few picks but that’s the cost and I would definitely move down to pick up another 1 next year.
     
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  4. NYJFOREVER

    NYJFOREVER Well-Known Member

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    Hopefully guys like Pickett impresses at the Senior Bowl and leaps into top 5 conversation. The Jets are in a very solid spot for a team to trade up to.

    To answer the OP, no shot I'm trading up to take Hutchinson or Thibodeaux. Those guys are really good but they aren't Nick Bosa level good.
     
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  5. Losmeister

    Losmeister Well-Known Member

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    its a mccagnan stealth account
     
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  6. KingRoach

    KingRoach Well-Known Member

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    Wilson won’t be there at 10-12 (I traded back hence the extra pick in Kinnard)
     
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  7. Br4d

    Br4d 2018 Weeb Ewbank Award

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    The Jets can play all the fantasy football they want and it will never improve the team for more than a season, maybe two at the outside.

    This is what the Jets need to do to improve the franchise:

    1. Rework the talent evaluation and scouting departments.

    The Jets draft poorly year after year, regime after regime. This is not an accident. The Jets do not have a professional talent and evaluation department at this point.

    2. Rework the pro personnel department.

    The Jets sign players year after year only to have those players wind up on IR before playing significant time for the team. This is not an accident. The pro personnel people do not evaluate the injury potential in the players the Jets sign - some of whom have significant injury histories prior to signing.

    3. Prioritize team-building over roster building.

    It often seems like the talent the Jets do have play about as poorly as possible in the context of the overall team. The current DL is a case in point. It is hard to imagine the talent the Jets have at DL playing as poorly as they have given the individual talent involved. This is at least in part because the Jets have talent drafted for a 3-4 playing in a 4-3. However even in that context the play has been disjointed.

    It's easy to say this is coaching, however it is more likely to be a function of players playing out of position and context in the new defense. It is more likely to be individuals floundering and putting added pressure on the players around them.

    A professional approach to the problem of switching over from a 3-4 to a 4-3 would first have asked the question about talent fitting scheme. A professional approach would not have signed an injury-prone player to be the edge on that defense. A professional approach would not have relied on a great 3-4 ILB who had missed most of the prior two seasons to be the glue on a young linebacker core as the transition occurred.

    The Jets terrible defense is a result of an unprofessional approach to roster building that almost completely ignored the requirement to build a team as the costly pieces to build the roster were implemented. We're seeing the rotten fruits of that labor play out on the field.
     
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  8. Dierking

    Dierking Well-Known Member

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    Well that’s just nitpicking, innit?
     
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  9. KingRoach

    KingRoach Well-Known Member

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    Rework the talent evaluating and scouting? By all accounts, we drafted 4-6 quality starters last year…. Doesn’t that deserve at least a “wait and see how the 2022 draft works out? Scouting got exactly the type of players Bob wanted in 2021 and the exact type of players Gase wanted in 2020.

    personnel department? Are you suggesting players on other teams don’t get hurt and miss entire seasons?

    Prioritize team building? You mean by getting a HC the players love and respect. Someone who’s found success in adversity and has been to the SB

    Maybe if JD nails his draft and the HC doubles our win total you’ll give them some props… oh, wait
     
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  10. Br4d

    Br4d 2018 Weeb Ewbank Award

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    Dude, stop listening to the marketing and start looking at what's on the field.

    This is the worst Jet team since 1995 and 1996.

    All of that has happened on Douglas watch. He is making 5-11 look good.
     
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  11. KingRoach

    KingRoach Well-Known Member

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    By all accounts Rhule is treading water, desperate CS make the worst trades.
     
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  12. KingRoach

    KingRoach Well-Known Member

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    Pops, stop expecting instant gratification. Stop blaming last years FO for this years problems.

    Seeing how many Jets fans are QAnon, I’m not surprised by the out of touch “hot takes”
     
  13. Br4d

    Br4d 2018 Weeb Ewbank Award

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    Dude, stop listening to the marketing and start looking at what's happening on the field.

    The Jets team Joe Douglas has crafted over 2.5 years does nothing well. They're like a basket case at this point.

    Contrary to popular belief blowing chunks is never part of a good rebuilding process. If you see blowing chunks on the field in back to back seasons all it means is your team blows chunks.
     
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  14. MaximusD163

    MaximusD163 Well-Known Member

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    You’re acting like the front office gave a fuck what the 2021 win-loss record would be.
     
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  15. FJF

    FJF 2018 MVP Joe Namath Award Winner

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    There were a lot of posters here pissed we didn’t go after him.
     
  16. KingRoach

    KingRoach Well-Known Member

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    He was still better than Gase!!
     
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  17. Br4d

    Br4d 2018 Weeb Ewbank Award

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    I have no doubt the front office didn't give a fuck about the record.

    Do you really think they didn't give a fuck about how bad the product on the field looked?

    The 2021 Jets have looked like a diarrhetic dog leaving a long trail of streaky shit on the carpet.
     
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  18. MaximusD163

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    Sure they did on some level. But expectations would already have been low and considering 3 defensive starters went down before the season or in week 1 and only 1 came back pretty much just in time for another to go down for the rest of the season…

    You don’t make zero draft picks in the first 2 rounds and only add 1 notable free agent over the course of 2 seasons and have high expectations for a defense. If you had expectations, that’s on you.

    Offensively they have added 3 notable free agents and 5 picks in the first 2 rounds, and despite some rookie growing pains for all involved the offense is a top half of the league unit when healthy.

    After another off-season I’d be looking for a top 10 offense and an average defense. That’s what I would expect and I would imagine that’s what they would expect.
     
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  19. Br4d

    Br4d 2018 Weeb Ewbank Award

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    The Jets have the worst defense in the NFL.

    Again, put aside all the illusions the marketing department created and see what is in front of you.
     
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  20. CotcheryFan

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    Which is why many want one of the pass rushers or Hamilton at 4 or wherever we end up picking.
     

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