I read something from a Philly reporter that said he's "increasingly confident" that the Eagles are going to trade up to number 1 for Mariota. If that happens (which would be moronic) I'd do everything to trade up to 2, but I'm not sure about all the way to 1. I think the stigma of it being "the first overall pick" artificially drives up the asking price way too much.
If the Eagles give up their 20 (850), their 1st rounder next year (500), their 52 (380), their 1st rounder in 2017 (250), their 84 (170) they've given up value about good enough to move up from 20 to 3. Obviously the trade value chart is just a guideline that NFL teams use to compare trade value but I don't think the Eagles could trade up for the 1 without giving up a couple of good players in the trade.
I doubt it too, it's just a rumor I saw http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/...ter-philadelphia-trade-up-pick-marcus-mariota
No problem. You may have read my post hurriedly and misread it. The gist of it was if Washington called us and told us that Philly had offered them (Washington) a King's ranson to trade up if Mariota was there at #5, and we could confirm or document that trade offer, then I would try to trade up ahead of Washington with Oakland.
We should (touch wood) be able to pick up a pretty damn good WR at the very, very least. I'm therefore happy to stick with where we are and if Winston or Mariota falls to #6 then leave it to the FO to decide wheter to trade out or take the pick.
Before I'd even consider trading up for him, all his character issues would have to be cleared up to my satisfaction. There's no way I'd trade up for a player that I thought had a chance of being suspended or winding up in jail. If I had confidence that his character was not going to be an issue, I would trade up. He has a TON of talent. QB is THE most important position. Unless you're drafting 1st or 2nd you don't get a chance very often to draft a true franchise QB prospect without giving up the ranch to move up. It would cost a lot less to move up from #6 to #1 or #2 than it would from the teens or twenties in a future year.
Here's the thing. I would trade up for Mariota because I think he'll be gone by 6. But if TB takes Mariota, I'm not worried that Philly is going to trade up for Winston or Cleveland or the Rams so I believe he'll be there at 6. And that we should take him. I don't think there is any way we could pry him away from TB if they've determined he's their guy. _
Certainly, the Jets have a ton of holes, including OL, OLB, CB, FS, but QB is the most important. If Mac/Bowles were convinced that Winston was their guy and they could get the Bucs' pick without crippling drafts for years to come, then they should do the deal.
They can't get the Bucs pick without crippling their drafts for at least 2015 and 2016. They might manage to get the Jaguars pick under those constraints if Winston didn't go 1 or 2. That scenario is not unrealistic because either of the top 2 teams could fall in love with Mariota and Williams would be the other pick.
Definitely agree that your scenario with the Jags is more realistic, but it still looks improbable at this point. Still, there's months to go before the draft, and anything could happen.
Interesting. You definitely could be right, but I think the opposite. I think Mariota will drop, precisely because of the spread offense thing, whereas Winston won't drop. I think TB will take him, but if not, someone would trade up for him. I think a lot of teams aren't that concerned about players' character, although they may be more attuned to that than normal with all that's happened in the last year. I do think lots of coaches, like Arians, have disdain for the spread so don't want to mess with spread QBs. Part of that is because of the time, but I think also part of it is because some, perhaps a lot of the QB Coaches may not know how to teach or help the QB develop and it makes them look bad if they don't succeed. If the QB played in a pro system and fails, then the blame can go on the QB, NOT the QB coach.
