You know what they say about arguments when one side has to resort to angry name-calling... I gracefully accept your capitulation.
They had enough cap space to sign Darrelle Revis and Emmanuel Sanders and _still_ trade for Harvin (not that I want those players, but still). Having cap space to trade for a gamble is no use when you are 1-7, on your way to 2-11. Yes, that's right. Any player can be a first ballot HOF if he gets to replace another injured veterans. Happens all the time. There's a reason he didn't play the year before. It's not because the Jets had a top OL. Well, it certainly doesn't make him _great_. Go look up how many passes Rob Gronkowski dropped in his rookie year (hint: 2), and what the highest rated passer/receiver combination in the NFL was in 2010 (hint: rookie Rob Gronkowski was at one end of that). Amaro has potential. Ranking him against hall of fame TEs is insane. He is more likely to be a bust than in contention for the HoF. Yes, we've been through the fact that the Jets (and Ivory) have the highest YAC in the NFL for the running game. FWIW I don't think RB YAC is that valuable, because it's just a few yards (6 instead of 4). The real YAC value is in the secondary (WR/TE) because you can pick up huge chunks of yardage after contact. No, he hasn't. 36th in receptions and 40th in yards. There are receivers from Buffalo, Houston (2), Tampa (2) and Oakland above him on that list, and their QB situation is perhaps just as screwed up as ours. True, and we saw that he wasn't one. His passer rating in 2014 is 0.3 above Geno. And WHY ARE YOU DEVOTING BIG MONEY TO A BACKUP QB HERE? You either sign Vick to be the starter and play him there, or you go with a Brunell-caliber veteran backup and declare the season shot if Geno fails. This way, we got the worst of both worlds.
He was their most productive WR the year before Manning. Now ESPN would like their blindly-hate-Decker-since-he's-a-Jet-now meme back.
he's really packed it in this year. It's like he doesn't give a shit on sundays anymore. he goes through the motions and then cashes his check and runs back home to his annoying ass wife.
Decker's numbers have to be viewed in terms of the overall offense. We are one of the worst passing offenses in the league. Part of it is having the worst rated QB in the league (and all those teams you mention have better ones, even average QBs like the guy in Buffalo, Derrek Carr, Metzenburger etc are much better than what we have), and the other part is having Rex's insistence on ground and pound and conservative passing. The Miami game was an extreme, but most of our games are called in such a way that it's impossible for WRs to accumulate stats. This is disingenuous. Sanders was signed to a shorter contract than Decker, but on yearly basis, Decker is making 7.2 mil, Sanders is making 5, which is obviously not less than half. And LaFell was a nobody before this season, a career backup in Carolina or wherever, so obviously he wont demand the same contract as a very successful WR like Decker would. That's not to mention that those two are playing with 2 of the greatest QBs of all time, and Decker is playing with Geno.
For the record, I'm not saying he is a bad receiver. He's pretty good, probably better than he has played this year. By no means is he a #1 and certainly not for the money he got. Saying he was the #1 FA WR is not a credit to him, it is an indictment on the Jets for wildly overvaluing (and overpaying for) him. I mean the stuff coming out now about Denver not even making him an offer? Why, because clearly they didn't need WRs? Or because he wasn't going to nearly be worth the money?
Idzik drafted Geno Smith. He built the roster that has the worst passing offense in the league (not one of). How is that an excuse for the job he has done? his signing of decker.. his drafting..??? he built the worst passing offense. My god - use your brain
How can you possibly think Decker is one of the reasons we are the worst passing offense in the league. lol. There is ONE reason why we are the worst passing offense in the league. ONE and ONLY ONE. Get ready for it... GENO SMITH SUCKS! HE ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY SUCKS! HE HAS NO EXCUSES!!! That is the no. 1 and only reason. Let's evaluate Decker the the Jets have a Quarterback.
All these teams have had multiple QBs benched and re-benched. Perhaps the difference is that Buffalo realized that Manuel was a bust and dumped him early, whereas we stayed with "Pro-bowl-caliber" Geno. But I don't think those teams are really significantly better than us with the possible exception of Oakland; the poorer Carr brother is really showing something. It's possible that he is in fact great and will explode once we fix the passing game. It's also possible that he is a good secondary receiver who benefited from Peyton Manning and cashed in from a team who was stupid enough to think he was a high-end #1. I lean towards the latter as being more likely, but I guess we'll see. FWIW my head is spinning between the "Geno isn't so bad, he has nobody to throw to" and the "Decker isn't so bad, look who's throwing to him" threads Yeah, I suppose the coaching staff also contributes here. Should I post this in the "Rex must stay" thread as well? So then what prevents you from signing the cheaper player for fewer years who is doing twice as well in the league this year? How is the Decker signing in any way reasonable when compared to these other guys? And the other number I usually look at here is guaranteed money & years (because that's all that counts in the NFL). Sanders: 6M. Decker: 15.5M. Look, it's not my money (well, most of it anyways). I don't begrudge his getting paid, and I want the Jets to spend on the team. But on good players, on important positions, to build a winning team. Not like this. That's my point. If you invest in the QB position, you can find career backup nobodys from wherever and make them successful. Spending 36 million on a WR when you don't fix the other problem is just insane. True. But then why sign him to play with Geno?
But you are moving the goal posts now. I said that creating cap space is one of Idzik's achievements here, you said that means nothing unless you use it, and I showed you how he used it. What if Sanders would rather come to Denver and play with Manning than with Geno? Idzik isn't omnipotent. Not every player, but the point is, lots of players get a chance to play when someone else gets injured or traded or whatever. Winters was a higher pick than Aboushi, so he got his chance first. When someone has bad hands though, they are much more likely to drop a pass in traffic, because it's a much more challenging catch. Amaro has been catching everything in traffic. The only drops that I remember with him have all come when he was WIDE open, which to me suggests that he was probably thinking about his next move too much and not focusing on the ball. Which is an entirely different thing from "stone hands". The argument isn't about which stat is more valuable, it's about Ivory being a special player. He's very similar to Marshawn Lynch, like a battering ram that just doesn't go down but at the same time, has the quickness and speed to break off a big run at any time. He would be more appreciated if he didn't have to share carries with CJ and the defenses werent able to load all those guys in the box since our passing game sucks. All of those teams have much better QBs than us (even if they aren't great in general), and play-calling more conducive to WRs accumulating stats. You do remember we just had a game the other week where we threw 13 times? I am not telling you that Vick is a great QB. I am telling you that he was the best FA QB available last offseason and Idzik got him for us. You can only play with the cards that are in the pot.
So I guess that includes dropping TD passes? What's the next move he is thinking about then, his TD dance? Trying to pull another Lamarr Houston move? Sorry, I couldn't resist He may be good, but he isn't now.
Geno was the best available QB prospect when Idzik came onboard, so he drafted him (at a value spot) and gave him a chance (2 years) to succeed. That is the only thing Idzik could've done, because he cannot manufacture a franchise QB out of his arse. He can only acquire what's out there. You can debate whether or not he should've drafted Bridgewater/Carr this year after Geno's rookie season, arguments can be made both ways, but there is nothing wrong or bad about Idzik drafting Geno and giving him a chance. Also, Idzik has radically transformed our passing offense at the skill positions. He took us from Stephen Hill, aging Holmes, and Cumberland to Decker, Harvin and Amaro. The results of this cannot be seen yet, because the QB is not there yet, but that is how rebuilding goes. You cannot finish it overnight.
Quoted for most moronic post ever on this forum In the 2000 draft we got the following: 1. Pro bowl pass rusher that we have not been able to replace after we stupidly traded him away. 2. One of the top five starting quarterbacks in Jets history that took us deep into the playoffs 3. 10 year + quality starter on DL that played DE and DT and was a big part of our playoff success 4. Third round pick Laverneous Coles was one of the better WRs we have had in recent memory 5. Decent blocking TE that helped Curtis Martin get into the hall of fame 2013 got us 1. Quality DE that has not yet made the pro bowl 2. Questionable often injured CB that has played poorly or except for a four game stretch against weak competition.
The "Geno has no weapons" ship has sailed this season once we got Decker, Harvin and Amaro (and Kerley has been healthy). Since I don't use that excuse, and since I think Rex should go, don't see how that applies to this thread. As far as the rest, since Geno is the worst rated QB in the NFL and those other guys aren't, and since those other teams don't gameplan as conservatively as we do, then yes, I do think those other teams position their WRs to have much better stats than we do. Sanders doing twice as well this year is irrelevant because Manning is not Geno. Decker got more money than Sanders because he was considered #1 FA WR in the offseason, and because the Jets likely have to spend more money to attract FAs here to play for a rebuilding team than the Broncos do who have real championship chances. But again, Sanders is 5 mil per year, Decker is 7.2, not exactly as great a difference as you made it out to be. Idzik has been investing in the QB position, he got the best possible prospect he could get in his very first offseason, and now that it hasn't worked out, he will most likely invest into another prospect. That, however, doesnt mean you don't sign other positions until you find your franchise QB, which can take a while. For one thing, how can you even evaluate QB prospects if they have no one to throw to?
So then why not trade for Alex Smith? KC gave up a 2013 second rounder plus a 2014 conditional pick; almost exactly the cost of Geno. The general fallacy of "we must go after the best available guy now" ignores other avenues of success. Yes, I'd say that overall there is improvement in the WR/TE corps and it may well pan out. But at what cost? Did we spend so much money on the WRs that we have no money to sign any DBs and we have to let Cromartie go? That we have to enter the season with scrubs like Philip Adams and CBs who decide just not to show up one day? Is that a sensible allocation of capital?
you think i'm going to believe that bullshit? wow you are insane. Not only is drafting Geno Smith and watching him fail - then using him as an excuse for the horrendous passing offense, NOT the only thing Idzik could've done... It's also the dumbest argument to be made to use that as an excuse.
