Would a quality HC even want to come to the Jets?

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  1. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    the same Donnie Henderson that was our DC in the mid 00s?
     
  2. dr.velociraptor

    dr.velociraptor Tired of BS

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    Just please not another untested coordinator. Get a real deal, bonified head coach or just keep Rex, he's figuring it out.

    I would fire Idzik before Rex to be honest, Geno Smith and Garrard? That was his answer for Sanchez?
     
  3. Mitch_Dumstein

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    Oh god no

    Herm's halfwit DC who decided to get into a fistfight with Giant coaches and players during a preseason scrimmage.

    Maybe he'll take over for Doug Moron withToronto when Doug decides to return to Div II college coaching at Syracuse
     
  4. NCJetsfan

    NCJetsfan Well-Known Member

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    You can't be serious. Yes, Garrard was a mistake, but for all we know, that could be the veteran QB that Rex wanted. Maybe he wanted to continue with Sanchez and didn't want a QB who would seriously threaten Sanchez' being the guy.

    Idzik took over a team with tons of holes and little cap space or money to work with. He could have spent more on a QB (but not a whole lot more), and then not had money to bring in a Colon or Barnes, or to bring in people mid-season following all the injuries. Would that have been preferable to you? Personally, I would have preferred Jason Campbell, Josh McCown, Bruce Gradkowski, or Shaun Hill over Garrard, but aside from Campbell, I don't remember who was definitely available. It could be that none of the other three I mentioned were available as FAs. Would you have had him trade a high pick or multiple picks for a guy who has basically been a career backup/marginal starter and who would only be stopgap for a year or two?

    Did you want him to reach for a QB in the 1st round? Trade half his picks to move up? He went with the top-rated QB in the draft, got him for great value in the 2nd round. He knew if Geno didn't pan out, that they wouldn't have a lot invested in him and could move on within a year or two. It wasn't his fault that Rex moronically inserted Sanchez behind the scrub OL at the end of a meaningless preseason game.

    There is no reasonable rationale or logic for blaming Idzik for the Jets not having a quality starter in 2013.
     
  5. dr.velociraptor

    dr.velociraptor Tired of BS

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    Really because I thought he was the GM?

    I'm not FOR firing Idzik too soon, but I would fire him before Rex, I think Rex did a much better job coaching this year than Idzik did GM'ing.
     
  6. NCJetsfan

    NCJetsfan Well-Known Member

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    It might not be a "dream job," but they have a young QB who has a lot of talent and potential. They have a ton of draft picks and cap space with which to bring in a veteran QB to start or at least compete for the starting job, can draft another QB, and since the team will probably have a good bit of turnover in personnel, expectations could be fairly low again for next season, especially if there are any system changes on offense or defense. A HC that could come in here and start winning immediately with a very young team and could help Geno develop into a quality starter would have the world at his feet.
     
  7. NCJetsfan

    NCJetsfan Well-Known Member

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    Well then, by all means, Idzik should be put on notice for not being a miracle worker and bringing in a franchise QB without trading a ton of picks or having to cut 1/4 of the team to fit that QB in under the cap. Bad Idzik.
     
  8. dr.velociraptor

    dr.velociraptor Tired of BS

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    His QB answers were a rookie with zero experience whose draft day stock plummeted, and a vet who hasn't played in half a decade. Both terrible options.

    He is the GM so yes is his responsible for not bringing in any viable options to challenge Sanchez.
     
  9. NCJetsfan

    NCJetsfan Well-Known Member

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    I'd like to see you have done a better job. All you have done is criticize Idzik. You haven't said what you would have done. I asked you several questions and you failed to answer them. Until you post something of substance of how you would have addressed the QB position, your negative comments have no significance.
     
  10. Barcs

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    Quality HC? I'd be happy with a quality fan base.
     
  11. NotSatoshiNakamoto

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    Says the guy with "EXTEND Santonio Holmes" in his signature. Derp.
     
  12. Greenday4537

    Greenday4537 Well-Known Member

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    Well, the Jets are 9th in yards given up per play. Tied for 10th in 3rd stop percentage. Our d-line could be considered the best in football. Our LBs are pretty damn good. The reason some stats are bad (Points/yards per game) is because the offense can't stay on the field.
     
  13. Geno007

    Geno007 Well-Known Member

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    I sure hope he does. I'm still waiting for someone to tell me who a quality HC out there?
     
  14. Section 336

    Section 336 Well-Known Member

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    Yeah but it is the coaching staff who had Sanchez playing at the end of a meaningless preseason game. He brought in competition and Sanchez had basically won, it happens -- The only reason Geno was the starter was because Rex and staff fucked up.
     
  15. KWJetsFan

    KWJetsFan Well-Known Member

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    He's still butthurt because he was rightfully torn to shit over his absolutely asinine Jets vs Zebras thread. Literally, one of the worst threads ever. He then did some world class backpeddling and got got called on that too. As a result, Jets fans are no longer a quality fanbase. He's a top flight tool.
     
  16. NotSatoshiNakamoto

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    Are so waiting to hear what team you're changing to when Rex is fired.
     
  17. alleycat9

    alleycat9 Well-Known Member

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    what does the next guy have to do with the job performance of the current guy? if the current guy is not the guy who is going to lead your franchise then you move on. its really that simple. otherwise you are just wasting time.

    of course the next guy is supposed to be a step up, he is supposed to be the guy who leads the franchise for years to come to winning seasons and superbowls. thats what you look for with every hire.

    that doesnt however mean that the next guy will be the guy. but even if he ends up NOT being the guy. holding on to a guy who isnt the guy isnt ever going to get you there.
     
  18. NCJetsfan

    NCJetsfan Well-Known Member

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    I totally agree with you, but most Jets fans are obviously so in love with Rex that they can't see/hear reason and truth when they see/hear it.
     
  19. Axel3419

    Axel3419 Well-Known Member

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    I just don't understand the Rex hate right now. The team has a better record last year with less talent. No one can honestly say that the Jets are going in the wrong direction right now. Obviously this offseason is a huge deal and will impact the future of our franchise, but it's not light this year was disappointing or an indicator of team-wide regression.

    We're not where we need to be, but the organization (both Idzik and Rex) surprised me this year in a good way. We're on the path towards relevance and I don't think an unknown or rookie HC will make that path any smoother.

    Does that make me a Rexorcist? Lol. Obviously I will still be a Jets fan if Rex is fired. I just think it would be a poor decision on Idzik's part.
     
  20. Biggs

    Biggs Well-Known Member

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    I think the team has better talent this year. Why quibble. The reality is the Jets were set up to rebuild this year and next regardless of who the GM was. Tannenbaum clearly was cleaning the cap for 2014 and Idzik is set up for a big draft and a run at a few key FA's.

    Since Woody decided to move on at GM even though the rebuild was set up by Tannenbaum, and he decided to hang on to Rex, probably because he didn't want to eat his contract, it's pretty much going to be up to Idzik on how he wants to move forward.

    Personally I don't think Rex is a great HC or a great HC in the making. I think he has some great qualities but he is highly limited on the Offensive side of the ball. If Idzik is happy with MM running the show independently it might work. At the end of the day I don't think it matters if we keep or dump Rex. It's going to matter who we get to play football on this team and if Rex stays is Marty the guy to develop a QB and run a top NFL O that can complement Rex's D. I have doubts about that but we shall see.

    My guess is Rex is going to be fired now simply for leaking it to the team. If he did that to motivate the team at the expense of Idzik, Idzik might find that a firing expense. Idzik has to negiotate with these players and if the HC is trying to divide the players loyalty it's a huge mistake. If he actually knows something then he's probably gone.
     

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