You must have missed my post (a page or two back) congratulating Jets' fans on having the new Jerry Jones, which implies Woody has joined HIS ranks. I know this is complicated for you and there are a lot of moving parts to my statement ...just read it out loud and slowly to yourself...you WILL catch up (if you put the effort in). Don't let anybody tell you at school " you can't" understand this...chin up and try to understand it and keep trying to like the little engine that could .
I don't care if there are different kinds of hearsay. Taking the words of somebody who is putting words in somebody else's mouth at face value is really iffy. Again, the odds the Jets were going to respond to this let alone get into a knock down drag-out over it were really low. There were only four people tops in that room at the time the comment was supposedly made and all of them had a slanted perspective on it and were not objective witnesses. There was nothing to be gained by responding to it. If Woody or the Jets respond in *any* fashion to the tweet this story is 10x bigger than it currently is and still unresolved. That would be great for Sundquist but lousy for Woody and the Jets. See above. Given the current media climate Woody and the Jets can't win this one by fighting since they are just validating the question in the process. My posts are negative when I see something about the franchise that really disturbs me and suggests that we're not capable of ultimately winning a Super Bowl. Woody Johnson is not on that list at this point.
Exactly, Woody was supporting his players, coaches and management. Tanny: Yo woodster I can get Tebow, That be pretty sweet ass sweet wouldn't it? Woodster: Tebow, the guy who ruined us on that last drive, and killed the steelers? Tanny: Fo Shizzle, Woodster this guy is a marketing dream will sell jerseys and also improve us on offense. He don't cost the world Woodster: Money you say? Tanny: as much as Donald Trump Boooooi! Woodster: Go for it. Woody will of signed it off, All it needed was his GM gently suggesting and pushing him, What do you give a guy who loves money, More money. Now the Woodster won't be making as much money, because of this poor team. and $19 tebow jerseys. what did woody say in the PC, GM picks the players. Woody signs the cheques and wants us to win. Debating the fact that he is a good owner is for another time. But im sure he want's just like us to win
Any player acquisition beyond practice squad scrubs is gonna be ran through some sort of chain of command including some ties to ownership. A back-up QB/gadget player may seem uninspiring from a roster perspective..but Tebow's contract is still worth 2.5 mill, they gave up multiple draft picks & the media exposure speaks for itself. Marketability shouldn't matter to Tannenbaum. But that doesn't mean it isn't something others in the organization including ownership would care about. As such..if Tannenbaum was pushing hard for Tebow..he may decide to use marketability in his pitch among other things. Tannenbaum wanted to try & replace Brad Smith while upgrading the back-up QB situation. He thought Tebow would solve those issues for a reasonable cap figure & also provide a splash. We forget that before Woody had this reputation for liking headlines..it was Tannenbaum who was notorious for liking the big splash. WHy is it so hard to comprehend that they severely miscalculated Tebow's skill set as well as his media ramifications..and by mid season they decided it was best to close the whole operation down? Why is the only option that Tebow was brought here as a figure head? If they wanted buzz why didn't they start him the second Sanchez fell apart?Nothing would've brought in more buzz than that A horrible miscalculation based on paper pushing & not football reasoning.That's what it was.
You should care about there being different kinds of hearsay, because THAT FACT undermines your argument. There is also NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER that Sundquist put words in Woody's mouth. And if the media is going to dump on Woody no matter what, what is the downside to him offering an explanation to us as fans? You complain and complain about the way the Jets are run, yet give a free pass again and again to the man who owns the team. It makes no sense, unless you have some personal angle I choose not to speculate about.
Whoops! I didn't realize that mister "I'm going to sport my Cowboys hardware and REALLY show those Jets fans" had figured out that his jackass team is no better than the Jets anymore. My bad. Tell your faggot Tebow circle-jerker friends on that faggot-ass website you guys post on that you totally pwned me! How will I ever recover?????
I complain about how the Jets are run because I see patterns in their management style that are repeated over and over again that are clearly not conducive to creating a deep elite roster of the type that Super Bowl winners normally enjoy. For better or worse both GM's the Jets have had in the era of Woody's ownership have reveled in the ability to make big splashy moves that ultimately back-fired on the team. Whether you think Woody was the driving force behind the moves or not, it was and remains the responsibility of the GM to maintain a good long-term talent base that will allow the Jets to compete with the NFL's elite teams. I haven't seen anything out of Woody Johnson to date that suggests to me that he isn't fully committed to winning a Super Bowl trophy. The Jets have in fact not approached that plane during his ownership but they have been a .500 team that made the playoffs in half of the years. They won at least a playoff game in 4 of the 6 entries. It could be a lot worse and there are 22 teams that have made the playoffs less frequently than the Jets over Woody's tenure. Might I suggest that you are so blinded by your hatred for Woody Johnson over any number of other issues that you are incapable of seeing that he's the best owner the Jets have had since Sonny Werblin?
You are such a fail enabler. It's impressive, actually. Do you have any ability to delineate where business and football separate? The Jets traded for a guy that the CS had no intention of using. Westhoff has been quoted that they didn't even practice the Wildcat with Tebow during camp. Westhoff shoots from the hip. You really want to tell me he is lying? Because there is no way you can judge a player's ability without practicing him. They did not. So, either this team's personnel group was talking out of their ass or the CS, from Rex down, cannot identify talent and won't try when it isn't blatantly apparent. Oh, by the way, you called my post history into question. I can call yours into question as well, defending this team's use of "project players" that were not given enough time to develop. You stood fast with some players like Brick, and lost your ass on others. Gholston comes to mind. Don't you fucking dare go there, because we both know who will win. More have failed than succeeded, and you defended every one unconditionally. Fail enabler.
Ya know...I've given you chance after chance and the benefit of the doubt on numerous occassions over the years. But no longer. Where at any point do i remotely say anything personal about your posting history within this conversation? Absolutely nowhere. I'm now firmly convinced that you are incapable of having an adult conversation about football w/o making things personal. As for prior opinions I've rendered being incorrect? I've never swayed away from those miscalculations when called on. I just don't suscribe to calling players busts or useless until a reasonable timeframe of development transpires. I will always give the player the benefit of the doubt until coaching/conditioning/training/scheme have all failed to improve. Say what you will. I have no interest in engaging in personal conflict with you or anyone else. I'm sure you'll call me a poop head or some shit b/c that's your M.O...But i'm not amused. And the posters who I respect on this board won't be amused either.
They really have a high opinion of themselves over there don't they? On topic: I think this is a banquet of BS from Woody, frankly. It wasn't long after the signing that he was quoted as saying you just can't get enough of Tim Tebow. But even if this is a load of shit from the owner pawning off blame to the fired GM, it just dropped Tebow's stock even further, if that was even possible. It further illustrates to other teams that might be considering picking him up off the free agent wire the kind of drama that will surround the kid. NOBODY wants that. Kind of a low blow to Tebow, and I'm as critical of the guy as anyone on this website. Even I'm starting to feel sorry for the punt protector. It will reinforce the argument for those in each organization as to how the drama that follows Tebow around and why they should not sign him. Not even Ryan Leaf, JaMarcus Russell, or some of the othe all time biggest expensive busts in NFL history got that.
Oh you total poop head. You've given me the benefit of the doubt? Really. Do you know how many times I've scrolled down a thread and seen "KurtTheJetsFan" and cringed, and said to myself "He's a nice guy, let that piece of shit post get replied to by someone else"? One thing I do feel bad about is having scrolled through one of your posts and taking it for going after my position. I misread, so I was wrong on that. Sorry. Of course you haven't swayed from when you defend trash players. You either put some post in a thread years later where you say that they weren't given enough time, or you don't post in those threads at all. That still makes for boring reading. Face it, Kurt. The only reason you responded to my earlier post in this thread is because I used the word "homer", not in relation to you, but it happened to offend your sensibilities, and because I busted one of your draft posts like 2 years ago and you have been angry about it ever since. If you had no interest in personal conflict with me, we wouldn't be engaged in this back-and-forth. But oh well. I know the outcome of this argument and I really have no interest in busting you further, because I know that you are a nice guy. Boring, but nice. So go ahead with your super-homer agenda on this forum, and I will go ahead and cringe whenever I see your username, and go back to my previous method of skipping your posts. Peace.
man the pain comes right across the post. The butt hurt "ness" is cringe worthy .... it will be ok, settle down, meds are coming soon....someone makes a lubricating cream for that ....keep the faith
LOL! You really don't want to get into a Cowboys debate with me. I live in Texas. I have seen them at their worst. I know all the shame that you feel.
Yes you got me the Cowboys are much worse organization than the Jets, I don't know what I was thinking. you win.
I'm waiting for something resembling a debate. Then you can go back to that fag-fest Tebow forum and ask Demos for help when you have nothing to come back with. From what I read, he's your hero. Then I'll crush him.
I won't post anymore responses to you for two reasons (in this thread). 1. The thread hijack you are attempting is weak. 2. Debating you is like debating a cartoon character or punching a clown, yeah there could be moments of satisfaction but at the end you are left unfulfilled.
Leon Hess was obviously problematic as Jet owner, although he did hire Parcells, who proceeded to remake the team into a winner. Since Woody bought the team it has been in overall decline. Whether Woody is better or worse as an owner compared to Leon is in the end a wasted discussion. Woody owns the team. How a poster can complain on and on about the wayw they are run and at the same time give Woody a free pass is, to say the least, far from clear. At least I am clear eyed enough to see that.
