It is idiotic to argue otherwise.[/QUOTE] At this point we do not know what market value is for Revis or what the Jets are willing to pay. From the outside looking in and the rumors that have been leaked it looks like the Jets were shopping Revis before the injury so lets not put this one on Idzik it is on Woody. Like i was saying from the outside looking in it does seem to have anything to do with money sounds more personal over the way the last negotiations went. Sounds like Revis's agents pissed off Woody and he wants Revis gone.
I am not a fan of Woody but I can't say I blame him on this one. A few days after he finally signed his last contract Revis said to a reporter that he would hold out again in a couple of years if he felt like he deserved more money at that time.
woody has spent money, but woody was also trying to fill a new stadium and sell psls. what happens when woody realizes he cant sell all those psls and everyone starts to bail like they will this year? the next couple years will show us whether woody spends money or not. how terrible would it be if the jets traded him and then he signed for 8 mill per year... only in jetsland does mark sanchez get to stay and darrelle revis has to go.
It is fair to assume, given the big contracts being cut outright, that teams are adapting to the realities of the new CBA, and figuring that they are better off building young rosters with faster, though greener players, for less money...than overpaying veteran egos. It's taken a while to realize it, but by agreeing to a rookie cap....the vets bent over and grabbed their ankles here. We are now in the two contract era. Demaurice Smith should be canned by the players association. He got taken. In a pass first Speed oriented league, where violent contact is being mitigated, the NFLPA, just got taken to school. Don't take my word for it....look at the guys getting cut at a relatively unprecedented level. If you enhance the value of the draft....you devalue Veteran talent.
How much money can Woody spend? Did I miss something, or does the Cap dictate that he can only spend the same amount as every other owner?
Fact - Revis did not hold out. Your post does allude, however, to what i think is really going on here. It is personal to Woody. It is emotional. It is not solid football analysis, which is hardly surprising. After all Woody is not a football genius. He's not an anything genius.
It's clear Woody is anything but cheap, and he looks to maximize the cap limit every year. He's also shown willingness to invest a lot in the secondary, so that is not an issue either. I hope he is allowing Idzik to approach this with a fresh set of eyes. We should be approaching this from 2 fronts: talking to the agents about potential contract parameters talking to other teams about potential trade critiera If Idzik is not even talking to agents at all, it does make me wonder if Woody has instructed him to move Revis regardless. That would concern me, as Woody needs to step far away from roster decisions and trust his new guy to do his job. Also if there is some emotional factor at play here, it will only drive down our return trade value where teams know Idzik has to move him..
Eggzactlee!!! Thank you for adding some sense here, in addition to mine, of course. The key is Woody does not know shit about football. He should let the football people run the team. Instead of letting his personal emotions come into it.
I am on Revis's side of all this. He does deserve a contract maybe not 16 million but up there with the highest paid defensive players. His last contract was meant to be temporary and actually should have been extended last offseason. Teams typically don try to trade away there best player/future hof/ and in my opinion the best corner to ever play the game(dion is not a better corner). Teams typically try locking this type of players up long term. Now if they do decide to trade him you can't get less then two firsts for him. We traded Keyshawn for 2 firsts so if anything we should be able to get 2 firsts for revis, and IMO he is worth more then that and worth more then Keyshawn was. It's just a shitty situation to be in. Your best player wants a huge contract and your owner doesn't want to give it to him. It's sad that we aren't even talking to his agents to try to work something out. Plus from what I've seen and heard reading revis doesn't save us money on this years cap. But will help us in the future not having a 14-16 million dollar man on the roster each season. I think the better option would be to trade cromartie because I think that he saves us some money on this years cap, correct me if I'm wrong.
Absolutely, like Woody or not he has spent a lot of cash to make the Jets better. Idzik should be allowed to do whatever due diligence he feels is necessary as he resolves the Revis conundrum. That said, there is a good argument for not talking to Revis agents at this point. The two previous sets of negotiations have not gone well for the Jets, with things getting slowed down to a crawl that turned into a holdout each time. If the Jets believe that a trade is a strong possibility the last thing they want to do is get bogged down in contract negotiations that would inevitably become public via leaks on one or both sides. It would hurt their bargaining position with trade partners for them to be perceived as at loggerheads with Revis on a third contract negotiation with a second GM spearheading the effort. Unless they have reason to believe that they could push contract talks through very quickly and get a deal done or alternately that the content of those talks would remain confidential then it is a bad idea to start them at this point. Better to have trade partners uncertain as to how hard Revis is to deal with than to get in another acrimonious contract negotiation that removes all doubt on the issue and at just the point that you're trying to market him.
Its all about the demand. If a good or service, in this case football CB skills, is priced too high people will not pay and price will go down. If the seller is not happy with the return buyers offer and feel it is not in their best interest to sell, they will not sell. Its not some conspiracy, it's simple economics. If teams were willing to make him the highest paid defensive player, they would have pulled the trigger on a HOF CB without question. The question for all teams including the Jets is "Is it worth it to sink that much money into a CB?". I'm going to say that any team in negotiations has decided that it is not worth the money. If it was they would have traded already.
That's an interesting point, and might possibly be the line of thinking. By not even attempting to negotiate, it kind of plays our hand as well though.. Wouldn't it make sense to be up front on a 2 front approach to trade or re-sign him, pending contract terms and trade return value? It lets Revis camp and other teams know we are still interested in retaining him, while open to hear offers. Seems it might provide some motivation for these other parties to start playing their hand.
This is a very good read on the situation. Opening up negotiations with Revis now is pointless for the club.
I just can't believe Brad continues to imply that ALL the problems in past negotiations with Revis were the fault of his agents. I guess Brad has me on ignore, or feels he can't come up with a logical response to the point. The fact is Brad himself has complained many times about the FO's posture in negotiations with other players. But that is not even considered when it comes to Revis, for some reason. But the main point here is that it is ridiculous to suggest other NFL teams are not already aware that Woody has issues with negotiating with Revis's agents. In fact his refusal to even contact them tends to prove he's afraid of or for some other reason does not want to negotiate with them. It's not as if other teams are unfamiliar with Woody and that he's not a football guy. It doesn't help the Jets' position to not talk to Revis's agents. That is ridiculous.
Under normal circumstances it would make sense but the previous negotiations have gone so badly that the circumstances are anything but normal.
The previous negotiations that did not involve Mr. Idzik at all. So how the hell would he know? Oh yea- Woody Johnson.
I think some fans are too emotionally attached to Revis. That being said, let's wait until the season starts before crucifying Woody and the front office.
So you're suggesting that if Woody Johnson thinks negotiating with Revis agents will likely be fruitless and produce acrimony, based on his prior experiences watching his previous GM try to handle the situation, that he should sit back and say nothing and let his new GM walk into the same buzz-saw? With substantial future value for the franchise possibly on the line?
I don't see the uproar in the Jets looking for Revis deals. He's coming off an injury, his band-aid contract is coming up, and the Jets need to upgrade several positions on the team, one of them not being corner regardless if Revis is on the team or not. So why not shop and see if some team will be dumb and give up a ton of picks. If nobody bites, you still have all of May, June, July, August, September, October, November, December, January to negotiate and wrap him up long term. The tough part is figuring up a contract that would keep Revis happy for a long time and stop him from holding out in the middle of it. Idzik should be working on that, or finding a way to protect the Jets from that, while testing the waters for Revis
