Woody is confident in the people he's hired? That's nice. Wasn't he confident in John Idzik's abilities at one point too?
Hey NC--as pessimistic as I am about the organization there are some things I do agree with you on. 1. Joe Douglas- I personally really like Joe Douglas. I still have faith in him as a GM candidate--he was qualified before coming here and I think he's done mostly well here for the points you already mentioned. Great trades, smart cap management, has maintained a steady culture, tried to build the lines--haven't liked every pick but that's normal. 2. Saleh- too early to tell obviously. I was good with the hire though. Clearly he's a good leader of men, was respected league wide before coming here and he was high on other teams lists as well. I think my issues with Woody / Christopher is they don't seem to try to move mountains like some of the other owners in the league to make sure their teams takes it to the next level. 1. Stadium- don't want to beat this with a dead horse but our team needs it's own home. Should have happened by now 2. Team facilities- I have personal contacts that are connected to the team and the Jets facilities are considered K-Mart compared to the rest of the league. Gyms, meeting rooms, tech everything.....the Johnson's are playing checkers while other teams play chess when it comes to their facilities and home base. 3. Situational moves- I know I'm going to irritate you with this one--but I've always respected you as a poster and you know me well enough to know I'm not trolling you. It was widely know that Trevor Lawrence was considered the safest QB prospect in decades--the fact that Clemson has cratered since he left shows everyone how truly great he was. Manning, Aikman, Elway and Lawrence. I will never comprehend as long as I live how you don't start Morgan or Luke Faulk after Darnold hurts his shoulder to almost guarantee you don't screw that pick up. You had a perfect excuse with Darnold sustaining an injury to make such a move. Lawrence is the type of player that will make winning so much easier. But this is just one of the questionable moves--hiring Gase? Letting Kingsbury and Rhule leave the building? I'm still a die hard fan and probably would never turn my back on the team--but I would honestly ask the Johnson's these same questions if I met them. I wouldn't mince words-- I hope that I eat my words when it comes to Wilson, NC. I will be overjoyed if you are right on that one--but right now I am not bullish on Wilson at all. He's looked wildly inaccurate, fragile and non composed at this point-- So in this post, I am agreeing with you on your post above with Douglas, but also telling you exactly why I'm pessimistic. Cheers--
Yes. I remember the creepy news conference announcing him. Rivaled the Gase conference, crazy eyes. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
James Dolan wasn’t cheap either, but when you don’t have a single clue what it takes to succeed in the sport you’ll never be able to identify the right personnel who can lead you to success.
Thanks for your response. I understand being pessimistic at this juncture. Hey, I'm pessimistic too!! Initially, I was happy with the hire of Saleh, but that has soured quickly. It's still too early to tell with one exception imo. If the team continues to look this bad, and no major changes are made in the offensive approach, then I think the Jets almost have to fire him, and should fire him if he refuses to fire LaFleur. LaFleur is looking totally incompetent and in over his head, and I have to say that Saleh isn't looking a whole lot better. The team has not been prepared to play, and in spite of Saleh's supposedly ability to lead men and his fiery personality, the team is playing with no passion, energy, sense of urgency or discipline. That is inexcusable. That is not on lots of rookies and young players and it's not on Saleh just being a rookie HC. He's obviously not a disciplinarian and is a player's coach, and imo that will not work with so many rookies and young players. I've never been fans of the Johnsons, but at least they have finally showed some sense changing the org chart so that Saleh reports to JD and allowing JD to basically run the team. I've been saying for years that the Jets need their own home. Woody really screwed the pooch when he failed to do his homework and didn't get the West Side Stadium built or a stadium built up in Westchester Co. In terms of the team's facilities, that is the first I've heard that the Jets' facilities aren't topnotch. Everything I've seen and heard from players and coaching candidates are how great the facilities are. I don't know firsthand, so I can neither agree or disagree. I don't believe in tanking/intentionally losing. IMO there's a difference between playing young players at the end of a season to get them some experience and evaluate them, and if one loses, so be it, and intentionally making moves that guarantee that you'll lose the game like Jacksonville did. I believe in Karma, and I think Jacksonville will wind up paying for what they did. I'm quite happy with Wilson, but would have been happy with Lawrence. Hiring Gase was stupid. I never liked Rhule, so I'm glad that we didn't hire him. Kingsbury has totally surprised me. I didn't want him and didn't think he'd be any good at all, so I was wrong about him. I don't think that too many people saw him being this good. I'm no longer a die-hard fan. I've experienced too much disappointment and frustration and seen too many stupid hires, bad decisions, and lousy drafts to remain that committed. I'm hoping that things will get straightened out during the rest of this season, but if there isn't significant improvement by Saleh, LaFleur and the team before the end of the season, I won't be back if they are. Enough will be enough. Wilson has been wildly inaccurate, but that's not who he is. I think it's a result of too much being put on his plate while he's adjusting to the NFL, a much higher level of competition, and the lousy support he has had from his Coaches and teammates, so he's pressing and trying too hard. I'm at the point that if they ruin Wilson, who is the best QB prospect they've had since Namath, I'll hope the franchise folds or never wins another game if they don't fold. At this point I love JD, Wilson and a number of the other players more than I do the Jets. It really does seem like the team is cursed now, whether that was Joe Namath selling his soul, or the evil businessman Hess owning the team or now the ignorant trust fund kids owning the team. I'm sick of it all.
I don’t think Woody is the problem with this current situation. Woody made the adjustment in the command structure to allow the GM to have authority over the HC and not both guys having equal authority. It was Chris Johnson who hired Gase when he received a call from Manning. 99 percent of this board loved the draft from JD this year, because it was a good draft. I think the biggest problem is the CS, in particular the offensive side. If I’m Woody and I’m listening to my new HC and he lays out a plan on how they are going to develop our possible FQB, and I like it, what else is he supposed to do? I’m convinced that the scheme and the personnel packages that Lafleur is using and calling are simply not a good match for Jets players. Even when Becton comes back, I will guarantee you guys Lafleur will not run to the left side of the line like a veteran OC would knowing he has the better matchup on that side of the line. Woody coming out in public and supporting his CS and GM after 6 games is the right thing to do. The reason I say this is because I believe JD will make Saleh replace someone in his staff if Jets end up 1-16. JD will hold players and coaches accountable, however, it should come after a specific body of work has been demonstrated. The question is, what is that body of work, 6 games, 10 games, a season?
I disagree with your closing thought - a coach should hold his staff and coaches accountable for everything they do every time they take the field. I also believe no purpose is served and valuable time is lost if the only time a player or coach faces losing his job is the end of the season.
It would seem that the system of "Pay For Performance" is working well at the New York Jets, LLC. It's nice that something is.
