Agree. people are going over board, the defense played very good for 52 minutes........ stuff happens.
Or maybe just let Sutton go make some little defensive players with green Play-Doh. What does this guy do again?
Until the 4th quarter I felt that they were acceptable....but clearly they are not....the will get ugly if we dont fix it....soon
move vilma outside on occasions that could favor his speed and lack of size... move hobson inside, bring harris in, etc... let vilma loose, kind of like L.T. from the 80's giants
I actually, shared sort of the posters feelings. I am not too happy with the defense side of things. I think we have the personnel to do better than we are. I think it is a work in porgress. I think they are still getting better and haven't peaked yet. Now, I am not on the "we have to stay with the 3-4". I think we have to mix it up a bit like we did last year. When we were making our playoff run, you really didn't know if we were going 3-4 or 4-3 and I think we made that work to our advantage. We are definitely struggling on D; no doubt. If we stay where were are than I agree with what others said; 8 wins might be it. However, I do think everyone will keep working on it; it should continue to get better. Legitimately, we are not at SB caliber currently, and I still think we are a couple of players away - 1 being a real force in the middle. I also must say that I am not in any way disappointed given the state of the team that Mangini inherited from Hermy.
I think with the defensive players we have we should be better than we are, considering we have improved our personnel from last season - as well as having the players get a year in the system. I thought Sutton did a poor job last season, at least until the second half of the season where I thought he may have actually figured the scheme out, but that was until this season started. The way the defense has reacted this season they look totally unprepared and unresponsive and the players are not being put into positions where they can be successful.
Yes, we have 3 or 4 players who are ill suited for the system we're running. What I saw today, however, was a defense that was playing poorly not due to a lack of talent, but poor coaching. We've largely been playing in either our base defense or in a prevent. Poor play by the secondary came when we started shifting to a 5 yard cushion on every play and ignoring the fact that the team we faced wasn't afraid to continue exploiting the short game despite trailing by 11 late. Poor play up front was complicated by a scheme that still failed to do anything but line up and try to push 3 or 4 DL/LB past 5 - 7 blockers. I saw ILB who stood and waited for a play to develop, or for Ronnie Brown to break past the LOS before trying to make a play. I saw coverage breakdowns that left huge holes in the middle of the field. We don't have the personnel in place, but a large part of the problem lies with the man sending in the defensive calls.
The D was brutal, they have to play wheher it's loud or not in the Stadium so that's not an excuse. The O was great. The only sequence he D was on the field a while was after Miami scored thier first TD and leon got the KR TD. They were pathetic letting Miami back in the game, prevent D is supposed to allow for the opponent to movedown the fieldbut to take up time but they allowed Miami to score w/ ease. The first D drive of the 4th took just 3:55 and th 2nd just 2:19. The 2nd rive began at Miami's 10 and in just over 2mins they allow them to score? The D was BRUTAL AGAIN.
Of course you focus on the flippant point, and ignore the rest of the post. Most of the game the D was decent. They gave up more points in the 4th quarter than the entire rest of the game. They were also on the field an excessive amount of time early in the game. That said, I agree with the later posters who are pointing a finger at Sutton. I called him out last year, and I'm doing it again. Forget this personnel issue, we are vanilla so often, it gives opponents the option to take a chance against us. ------------------------- BTW: Anyone still dogging Vilma, they showed an interesting stat during the game yesterday. Since 2005, he's got 441 tackles (probably a couple more now), making him the 5th highest total in the league. Right now, he's got 21, 13 solo, putting him in 44th place in the league. Vilma's not nearly as bad as people complain he is.
Most of the game the D stunk. They got the INT in the 3rd on a terrible pass by Green, that's basically all they did all game long. and they were barely on the field in the 3rd so they should have been rested for the 4th, right? By the way. OP: NYJ 31:50 Mia 28:10 The D looked good in the 3rd qtr b/c the jets held the ball for 13 1/2 of the 5 minutes. this is mangini's D not Sutton. Sutton is a figurehead the way Crennell used to be for belichick.
You could argue that the D had enough rest for the fourth, but that would discount the terrible prevent defense they were running late. Most of the Jets' TOP happened in the second half. Yes, they won the time battle, but they did it late. As for this being Mangini's defense, I don't think so. They keep hitting Sutton with the camera while we were on D, and he was the one sending in plays. Mangini looked far more involved in the offense yesterday than he did in the D.
Mangini is very involved on his headset. This is Mangini's D. We can't play that soft n the 4th, we did that early lat year too allowing ten, Buf and Miami to come back on us. Prevnet D's are designed to take time off the clock but we allowed Miami to score quickly and get back in the game. The D was brutal and it has to get better.
The reason the D was on the field so much was because I cannot remember either the Dolphins or Patriots having a 3 and out. Maybe twice in those two games? If they can't stop the opposing offense, of course they will be on the field the bulk of the time. Think about it 10, 12, 20 play drives??? That is unacceptable. The Dolphins RB had a 4.9 yards per carry (if I remember right) and their QB had tons of time in the pocket. That's obscene. If the Defense wants to get off the field, they have to do it for themselves. They cannot hope that the opposition will constantly shoot itself in the foot.
Here we go talking about the off season again. This sucks and what makes it worse watching the Pats win like it's another day to them...
Correct. Also, the D was on the field quite a bit in the 1st half becuase of the Leon runback, they had to go right back on D after that. They kept allowing long drives and the Ronnie Brown show, so yeah they were on the field for in the 1st half for a long time. In the 2nd half what happened? CP had the O on the field for most of the 2nd half, yet as soon as the D went on the field they gave up scores in under 4 mins to the Dolphins Offense which until this week looked like crap. The D did not play OK, they almost cost the Jets the game.
That's garbage. The D was playing fine before we went to prevent and along with washington, was the only reason we were up at half time. Washingtons return and the offense going three and out twice int the first half is way the were on so long in the first half.... you kinda forgot that part. Miamis first drive ended with a punt Miamis second drive ended with a punt Miamis third drive ended with a TD Miamis Fourth drive ended with a FG Miamis Sixth drive ended with a FG Miamis seventh drive ended with a Int All before we went to prevent, so I would say how about do what you did to get a head.
