Will Schott be fired after the season?

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Will B Schott be fired after the season?

  1. Yes

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  2. No

    57 vote(s)
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  3. Bring back Paul Hackett

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  1. EL Kabong

    EL Kabong Member

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    Fired or not? Hmm.. depends on if Farve is available to coach.
     
  2. Milliner is your Mommy

    Milliner is your Mommy Well-Known Member

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    schotty will be back. Hopefully another year will help him figure out how to utilize our offense.
     
  3. Mambo9

    Mambo9 Well-Known Member

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    I think his problem is that he has a fixed offense in his mind and tries to adapt the personnel he wroks with (Sanchez in primis) to it... especially with QB with little experience it should be the other way around! If he stays I hope he figures this out come next season...
     
  4. NY Sack Exchange7

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    Brian hasnt used Sanchez safely at all. While the running game has been great, the passing has been a complete joke. Zero slants, zero safe passes, tons of bunching Three Wr's together on one side of the field. And, where the Hell are our Rb's in passing downs? Can Shotty make our QB understand that the check down to them it better then an Interception? Keller had a fantastic Rookie year last year, why the Hell isnt he more involved this time around? Same, tired no-score carp he have had from "Marty Ball", let him go to Cleveland, or better yet HC at Oakland.
     
  5. SettlerDawg

    SettlerDawg Well-Known Member

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    Schotty will hopefully be back. With Leon healthy, and a new weapon through the draft, we should be more dynamic. Sanchez will have a year under his belt and will have time to improve his reads because his current problem is that he locks onto his first look and doesn't check down. Schotty should be able to open the play book and balance the rush attempts and pass attempts.

    Of course Woody might give into the fans and fire Schotty, hire Charlie Weis, and watch as the Jets offense stumbles through a season of learning a new offense. Weis will be given another year to get it together while Ryan will be fired. The year after, Weis will be fired, and Sanchez traded for a pick. etc etc. Don't do it Woody!
     
  6. NDmick

    NDmick Revis Christ

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    Sarcasm???
     
  7. Milliner is your Mommy

    Milliner is your Mommy Well-Known Member

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    Take it easy nostradomus
     
  8. Namath2Kolber

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    If they don't bring him back, this team is in big trouble.
     
  9. CaneJet

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    Yes he should be fired. What little success he has had has been with veteran QBs that cut their teeth with other coaches before (Pennington and Favre). The two QBs he has groomed from scratch have been mediocre (Sanchez -- although he needs a mulligan here due to rookie status) and abysmal (Clemens -- although this begs the question: would he have thrived under another OC?).
     
  10. JetsFanatic

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    Schottenheimer gets a disproportionate part of the blame. I voted "no". However, I don't believe he'll return. His departure will be mutual, not a firing.
     
  11. DaftGreen

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    Schotty's ship has sailed. Dumb down the playbook for Markey for a while like we did for Favre.
     
  12. Hobbes3259

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    The knives are coming out...

     
  13. NDmick

    NDmick Revis Christ

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    ^ Bye Cutesy

    EDIT: Oh, its Cimini... fuck, then its never going to happen.
     
  14. bassman

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    I say fire him. Lets go in a new direction. First it was Pennington then it was Clemens then Favre and now Sanchez. This guy must be doing something that is Anti-QB. What it is, no one knows. Give Calahan a chance to do what he did in Oakland. And for Gods sake. Get Sanchez a veteran QB to work with.
     
  15. Big Blocker

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    While I am not sure that article is accurate as to what Ryan's thinking really is, at least that's the proper focus in answering the OP's question, which was NOT whether we think Schott should go but whether he will be fired. That latter question will mostly depend on Ryan, and perhaps Woody.

    When one wants to figure out what a CS is thinking of doing before they announce it, reading the tea leaves is often what is all that is available. Votes of confidence preceding by mere days if not hours the firing of the subject in question are all too common, as we all know. And of course Ryan as far as I am aware has only expressed confidence in Schott.

    Their history began with Schott already here, in fact someone that some considered a possible candidate to replace Mangini. However much he thought he had a real shot there, he didn't get it, and no one else hired him either. So he interviewed with Ryan who, having said he would focus on the D, hired Schott and let him run it.

    They both took a chance on Sanchez, and by drafting him and not getting a vet Qb in there, opening up a competition between MS and Clemens, the CS can certainly be criticized for failing to assure there would be a single quality Qb on the staff, as I think many here would say has proven to be the case.

    But that doesn't answer the question how much responsibility for such decision is to be fairly placed on Schotty. And of course we don't know how Ryan sees such question - he took the gamble, too, so there's that.

    Moving forward there's not been much more to add to the picture until, as the quoted article notes, the decision by Ryan to use the color coding system, along with the I think obvious changes in emphasis on the playcalling. What these moves show without any real doubt is that at the very least Ryan did not like the way things were going, and made changes.

    Now clearly if none of that had happened, and if Ryan as some here have said concluded all the inconsistency is to be expected, meaning not much could be done about it, that would leave us less to work with in terms of assessing whether Ryan might be unhappy with Schott. But Ryan did publicly in effect say that the system Schott had put in place needed to be changed.

    But, that doesn't alone answer the question how much Ryan thinks that means that Schott is to blame - Ryan for all we know had greater expectations for Sanchez, too, and is surprised how poorly he is doing.

    I think that is the real determinative factor in whether Schotty goes or stays - how much does Ryan apportion the blame toward Schotty for the problems in the O?

    I guarantee you this will be the biggest question that will be answered in the off season. The way I see it, except for two other scenarios briefly discussed below, if Schott stays, it's because Ryan answers that question one way. If he leaves, he answers it the other.

    The other two scenarios are that someone else hires Schott as an HC - not likely, to say the least, but not impossible. After all, Cleveland hired Mangini.

    The other possibility is that some obviously better OC candidate becomes available to the Jets. In other words, Ryan is not unhappy with Schott, but puts him aside for a clear upgrade. I also doubt this one happens, although not impossible, for two reasons, the first being I don't think there are a lot of great candidates out there who are not already tied up, and second that changing the O in Sanchez's second season has too much downside.

    This brings up Callahan - I think he's got too spotty and inconsistent a resume, but there is one more likely scenario that he gets it than the others, and that is that Ryan concludes Schott sucks and has to go, but doesn't want to change out the whole O. I think that an unlikely scenario, since it is Schott's O - why fire him if you like the O? But it is possible.

    I don't really know what will happen, since Ryan doesn't consult with me. My own guess? Schott stays.

    I could be wrong. It's happened a couple of times before.
     
  16. Hobbes3259

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    I don't think the article relates so much to Ryan's thinking, but the problems with the offense (which extend far beyond #6...) are becoming so clear as to be unavoidable.

    Schottenheimer has no short passing game whatsoever...Granted living through the Penny years maybe that's more magnified, but we are woefully short on Play action and short drops, play action at all... and so on.

    The offense simply does not produce to the talent level it has. Nor has it ever under this Offensive staff.


    Sanchez has performed about the same level you would expect...his shortcomings this season are just magnified by the 4 games ST/Def gave away. (Miami1,Jax,Miami2,Buff (hartsocks holding penalty, Atl)
     

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