Will our offense take a step back without Schottenheimer?

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  1. boozer32

    boozer32 Well-Known Member

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    The Offense Will Be Better

    Because we will not have any of that motion crap that Crappenheimer ran all the time. Also he was terrible at execution of the offense and that comes from being to chummy with your players. Not totally sold on Sparano but if he does one thing for this offense hopefully it will be to make it execute the plays that are called. Sanchez will still be hindered by the Jets retaining Cavanaugh unless Sparano gets in his face and makes him more accountable and less chatty to the press about Sanchez. Stiil don't know how the circus will shake out between Sanchez and Tebow. First bad home game by Sanchez and the Tebow chant will start.
     
  2. boozer32

    boozer32 Well-Known Member

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    Great

    That is why Scottenheimer had to go he called dumb plays and his offense was vanilla. Teams are too smart these days and it doesn't take long to figure out trends. Your gif proved another point execution was poor. Look at the Steelers offense they execute it well. If you need 7 yards they at least run a 8 yard pattern. Glad Scottenheimer is gone.
     
  3. laxin

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    Where would you like Sanchez to go? 8 and 9 are blocking the air and arent even facing Sanchez. Greene is blanketed by a LB, and he of course cant catch. He cant throw it away because that would result in a safety. If he were to scramble, there is a very good chance it is a safety.

    The play design was clearly meant for the ball to go to Santonio and Im not sure how Schotty pictured that going in his head, especially considering it was called on our own 4.

    Sanchez couldve thrown it at the back of Mulligan and that wouldve resulted in a loss of a down... I dont really see how that play was supposed to work out well, and that is on Schotty. Execution doesnt really matter here because Holmes ran a route and was going to be covered by 3 guys no matter which route he ran and Sanchez had no other option.
     
  4. Br4d

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    Where was Sanchez supposed to go with that ball? I see two throws, one of them a throwaway and that's it. He probably should have just turned and rifled the ball over the outlet receiver's (10) head. That's the only intelligent option that the play call left him.

    If 8 and 9 are in the left flat and crossing left to right respectively then he has more options, but even then none of the options are particularly good and throwing the ball away is much better.
     
  5. Zach

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    Ok. If you are saying Sanchez should have thrown it away, fine. 2 PT and possibility to stop them is much better than a turnover and opposing offense in the red zone, after all. Either way, it was a lose-lose situation for Sanchez. He can't throw it away (safety) or scramble out of it (possible safety) Prudent call here SHOULD HAVE BEEN a conservative run up the middle. (which Schottenheimer DID NOT DO.)

    That said, 1-option passing play is a stupidity of modern day NFL at its finest. That design is inexcusable unless you are playing some pee wee ball.
     
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  6. Brunell's Debt

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    Yes, I'm saying that he should've thrown it away. Either throw it at Mulligan's feet, try to scramble out of the pocket and get rid of it, or tuck and run and try to dive over the goal line. You risk taking a safety, but that's better than an almost guaranteed interception.

    Like I said, it's a bad playcall but Sanchez compounded the problem by making the worst available decision. Which basically sums up our shitty offense last year.
     
  7. SettlerDawg

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    Can we please stop with the ignorance and the simple-mindedness? Why are you using one play out of hundreds to describe Schottenheimer's playcalling? Not to mention that play was an audible because Sanchez thought it was a blitz; hence 5 guys running a short curl/stop route one yard in front of the marker. Someone gets open and they just need to take one more step to get the first.

    This is the millionth time this play has been brought up. It does not describe Schottenheimer's play-calling as a whole. Everyone who wants a simpler offense will get what they want this year. Although a simpler offense might help in the short run, it prevents the offense from ever becoming an elite offense, which is what the offense should strive to become. We shouldn't play to beat the other team by one score. We should play to completely blow out teams.
     
  8. Zach

    Zach Well-Known Member

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    This is one example, but no. I was not picking one out of a million to call Schottenheimer a full retard. There are more than enough I can recall off my head that will explode any sensible football fan.

    So wrong on every account, I don't even know where to begin.
     
  9. Big Blocker

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    While you have a valid point, and many here either do not have any memory at all or were not Jet fans just a few years ago. But... Hackett was awful, and part of the reason I am not a Schotty Hater is that the O was better under him than under Hackett.

    And Fat Ted? Please, he sucked as the DC here.
     
  10. Big Blocker

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    I agree. Schotty Haters are a mile wide and an inch deep when it comes to the substance of their complaints. They can't even agree what it is they didn't like about him. Some said he was too cute, some too complicated, some too predictable. Some blame him for what was clearly poor execution by the players, as if he told Sanchez to throw the ball to defensive linemen or into triple coverage.

    Well, they will get their changed CS for the O, and from all accounts they want to go more simple.

    We should have a poll to see by what week will we begin to see common complaints that the O is too simple, and too predictable.
     
  11. jilozzo

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    well i am still concerned about the so called identity on offense......forget who's calling the plays.

    why - primarily the offensive line. i was fully on board with going defense in the draft and posted about it ad nauseum. but i still think we are thin at OL and cannot survive an injury or a slow start by slauson, ducasse, hunter, etc etc.

    i often wonder what would we would be thinking and posting if we pulled a steelers draft - rebuilding 2/5ths of the OL line with 2 picks.....

    we'll see how it goes.
     
  12. Big Blocker

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    The Jet organization is taking another huge gamble with the OL this year, hoping not only that there are no injuries but also that Hunter, Slauson, VD if he gets in there, and even Ferguson, all play better, somehow, than they did last year, and that Moore plays another year without looking older. And that Mangold has another Pro Bowl year.

    Seems like a lot to depend on happening all at once.
     
  13. Ajitator

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    Tony was Offensive Coordinator in Dallas for a year. ( A very good year at that ). But i agree with what you're saying, He's been around and has put in his time.


    For those of you saying Shotty's playcalling worked with a good QB ( Favre ) you're completely oblivious. The only reason Favre was able to put up the numbers he did was because he blew shotty's calls off on a regular basis. ( And had one of his worst season finishes i've ever witnessed once he wasn't able to make up for horrible play calling with his rocket arm and awareness )
     
  14. Ajitator

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    The "open" receiver was Plaxico, The DB was playing off him because we were btwn the 20s ( meaning he was useless and couldn't get open to save his life ). On top of that, I find it far more believable that Plax's timing ( specially since he was still facing away from the QB at the time of the throw ) was WAYYY off. This is a 3 step drop designed play, The ball needs to get out on that third step for the play to be effective. Everyone else ran the designed "play" and Sanchez made the throw that he had a lane to. He holds onto that ball another second to let plax turn around and he's getting flattened cause WFH got beat from the get go.

    I've watched this play 100 times now and I don't see anyway this play gets a first down without the receiver getting "The toughest 2 yards of his life" as it's been adequately put. The only way this play works is if Keller hit a go route rather then a hitch, Would have given the Zone DB more responsibility over the middle and allowed the underneath routes more space making it a slightly easier 2 YAC. Again,.. This is a failed play call from the beginning. The fact Sanchez was able to complete a pass speaks volumes.
     
  15. Milliner is your Mommy

    Milliner is your Mommy Well-Known Member

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    I thought the open receiver was Joe McKnight. Number 25.
     
  16. Ajitator

    Ajitator Well-Known Member

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    McKnight was the "Open" receiver on the bottom, Plax was on the top of the screen, The post I quoted said the only person who executed correctly and would have gotten a first down was the receiver on the top of the screen ( Plax ), Which is wrong, He was the only one who didn't execute as designed.
     
  17. Hobbes3259

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    No.


    The open guy is Mc Knight...look again...the DB flips his hips INSIDE, leaving McKnight open for a Go Route.

    However, it looks like he's set to block for the guy underneath. (Which is a case of over thinking the athletes) unless that is the case, there is no reasonable answer for McKnight stopping short of the stick..the DB is inside and backing off, he's got the marker if he wants it.

    That has to be design.
     
  18. Hobbes3259

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    McKnight goes for 6 if that play does not have him setting a screen.
     
  19. Hobbes3259

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    EXCEPT, that play has him as a Blocker. If they just let him play, when he sees the CB flip inside, he's off to the races, and Sanchez throws the ball on an arc when he sees the DB try to recover.

    6 points.
     
  20. Ajitator

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    The only point i was trying to make to the original post i quoted was that Plax was not open, and him being beyond the marker was just a result of him not running crisp routes ( shocker ). McKnight on a Go route may have worked, but like I said, Sanchez would have needed another second ( which he did not have ) to let McKnight get over the top.
     

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