Will Our Defense He Better Than Buffalo Next Season?

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  1. BomberJet

    BomberJet Well-Known Member

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    This thread is a bit premature....can't we at least wait until the completion of all the FA signings and the draft?
     
  2. NCJetsfan

    NCJetsfan Well-Known Member

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    Did I say that his drafts were busts? No. I said that his draft picks haven't contributed much of anything yet (outside of Richardson) and they haven't. No the players may not be busts, but they could be. Still, more of his players should have made contributions by now. When factored in with the other reasons I gave, it was a perfectly reasonable and logical move to fire Idzik. I didn't trust him with building the team. He seemed to have no clue. In just a couple of months, Mac has already clearly demonstrated a much better understanding and done more to build this team that Idzik did in 2 years, so get out of here with your "logical plan" BS. Some Jets fans have no understanding of what transpires either off or on the field. That much is clear.
     
  3. Jake

    Jake Well-Known Member

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    Buffalo will be good and will fuck with NE for a change. I'm ok with it.

    I think we'll split with them for the next couple of years regardless
     
  4. jerseyjay14

    jerseyjay14 Well-Known Member

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    i agree on idzik.... but really unfair to say mac did so much more in such a short period. Mac inherited a much better situation. he had a ton of cap room to work. Idzik stepped into a mess were he had to clean cap, let alone spend 50m of it. Mac didnt have to worry about having to trade and replace his best player like idzik did. mac gets the #6 pick in the draft.

    I'm glad idzik is gone for the same reason as you mostly. i dont trust his drafting/evaluation of talent.

    but to sing mac's prasies in comparison seems a but unfair to me. I mean it isnt hard to spend money on good players and not have to worry about the cap and be sitting pretty at #6. Mac will show how good he is based on what he does with this draft, and how he manuevers the cap 2 years down the road. writing big checks now is the easy part. im sure if idzik was still here, he would have spent big as well. last year was always a planned throw away year for idzik, tank for a pick.
     
  5. pclfan

    pclfan Well-Known Member

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    Mac has spent a ton of money which makes some fans ecstatic. I think this season with the 50 mil Idzik would have done the same thing. Mac's teams haven't hit the field yet and he is unproven. I'm not saying Idzik was good but he deserved at least another year. If the team falters and his picks aren't immediate successes (like if they get injured-I guess that was Idzik's fault) I'm sure the same fans trashing Idzik will want Mac to go too. We can hire and fire a new GM every year.
     
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  6. GuaranteedMemories

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    No. As long as buffalo has an elite pass rush, they'll be better than our D. Hughes, and Mario blow Pace and Babin out the water
     
  7. pclfan

    pclfan Well-Known Member

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    I'll take our defense over theirs. I think Gailey will pick Rex apart. If Rex gets his ass kicked twice by Bowles what's his excuse and whose his fall guy this time.
     
  8. GuaranteedMemories

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    Gailey couldn't pick apart Rex's defense back in BUF. I will say BUF will probably get their ass kicked due to the lack of offensive firepower
     
  9. NCJetsfan

    NCJetsfan Well-Known Member

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    Yawn. I've seen your comments before from other posters. Typical narrow minds and poor reasoning skills. Just because most of us think that Idzik was incompetent and should be fired, doesn't mean we want to hire a new GM every year.
     
  10. pclfan

    pclfan Well-Known Member

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    I'm sure you'll want to fire Mac if things don't go exactly your way.
     
  11. NCJetsfan

    NCJetsfan Well-Known Member

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    I'm sure you're an ass and are going on ignore.
     
  12. pclfan

    pclfan Well-Known Member

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    OK then. Fine with me. So I won't be getting anymore of your ignorant replies. Great!
     
  13. TheJetLife

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    Everybody is so high on the fact that we got Revis and Cro back. I am too, not going to lie. However, the one thing I am a little skeptical on is Cro. Now, he is far better than what we had last year, but if we can recall back when we had him that last season, he was getting burned a lot, and was actually a liability for us. You can blame him being hurt that year on that, but we also must realize he is also 2 years older than he was then. Didn't keep track of his play last season on the Cards too much, but heard he also got burned more than expected (not sure though, somebody can prove me right or wrong).

    Not trying to be a downer, this is just a thought I had, it is the offseason after all lol. We will still have a great defense and secondary, just not sure if we should get our hopes up too much for Cro. I still am happy he is back and believe he will contribute well for us. Just wanted to hear if anybody else had thoughts similar (or dissimilar) to this.
     
  14. GREG

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    With the moves they have made their offense is better. I expect to hard fought games this year as both teams have improved.
     
  15. GuaranteedMemories

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    I mean hey it's Rex and Greg Roman. Picked two of the worst offensive minded coaches in the league. That's not to say we don't know how Todd Bowles will do just yet. But Shady behind behind buffalo's o line = downgrade from his recent production
     
  16. GREG

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    For both teams we have to see how the draft pans out before making any final predictions.Looking forward to the season as the AFCE should be very competitive.
     
  17. al_toon_88

    al_toon_88 Well-Known Member

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    You say Idzik deserved 1 more year.

    Would you honestly have preferred Idzik as GM right now over Macc and Bowles?
     
  18. pclfan

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    That's a good question. I don't know how to answer it because so far I like Mac and Bowles. If Idzik had stayed and he fired Rex, Quinn might be our head coach. My thinking: if you're going to hire a GM give him the opportunity to be successful. 2 years doesnt hack it. And I don't agree that Idzik is an incompetent fool who couldn't evaluate talent. He had more football credentials than Tannenbaum. I liked his plan to build through the draft and think like Mac he would have spent significantly in 2015. He would have had to. This Idzik hatred I don't get. It obviously started with press some of whom wanted him out.
     
  19. pclfan

    pclfan Well-Known Member

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    I agree on Cro and think he was grossly overpaid. Even though there were rumors he had a higher offer but chose the Jets. I kind of doubt that.
     
  20. al_toon_88

    al_toon_88 Well-Known Member

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    Please explain how Idzik had more football cred than Tannenbaum.

    If you look at it in terms of qualifications, neither Idzik nor Tannenbaum had any business being a GM. Neither had been a scout, player, or coach at any level. Tannenbaum at least had the benefit of learning under Belichick and Parcells. Both had the resumes of glorified cap gurus.

    However, as much as I disliked Tannenbaum and held him responsible more so than Rex for the team's post 2010 collapse, he is a genius compared to Idzik.

    Woody did the right thing for once. When it becomes apparent that you don't have the right guy in there, you don't putz around, you don't waste any more time.

    It had nothing to do with the press and everything to do with Idzik's own abysmal performance. He has no one to blame but himself for getting canned.
     
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