Will Mangini have the balls after the Philly game?

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  1. Br4d

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    The Cowboys were a .750 team in Staubach's first two years. Nonetheless he started two games for them in 1970 and had about 30% of their pass attempts that year.

    The Cowboys moved Craig Morton out despite the fact that they had won 11 and 10 games (in a 14 game schedule) with him as the starter. They made Staubach the starter despite Morton leading them to Super Bowl V.
     
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    What year did he take over? Now you want to qualify it? Clemens has allready started 1 game this year for the Jets. Craig Morton was a second rate QB compared to Staubach they weren't even in the same zip code and Staubach didn't start until year 3 with Landry a HOF head coach. He was brought along as was Stabler in Oakland.
     
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    He wasn't brought along. He kept getting hurt with minor nagging injuries that kept him from seriously competing with Mortin in TC in 1969. His nickname around the Cowboys was "Black Cloud."

    The injuries actually continued into 1971. As soon as he was healthy he had the job fulltime instead of just getting reps on the field when Landry wanted a change of pace.

    http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcon.../recordbook/yearbyyear/1971/092771eagles.html

    One example of what was happening.
     
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    On Stabler, give me a break. He was sitting behind a two time MVP at QB in Daryl Lamonica who is widely considered the best pure QB of the old AFL and won the MVP in 1969 in the year Stabler should have taken the reins.

    Why did Al Davis draft Stabler when he had a 27 year old MVP at QB? Who knows.
     
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    That's an article from 71 his third year in the league he wasn't going to start in 69 and he didn't come out of TC in 70 as the starter.
     
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    Why because he was flat out better than Lamonica, Stabler was a great QB in his prime outright great. Lamonica never entered into the conversation of the best pure passer in that era. The best pure passeres were Namath and Jurgensen, Lamonica wasn't in the discussion.
     
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    http://www.dallascowboys.com/profile_carter_quincy.cfm

    "Midway through Carter's first training camp, he was handed the reigns of the Cowboys offense and became just the third rookie in franchise history to open the season at quarterback - Troy Aikman (1989) and Roger Staubach (1969) - and only the sixth rookie quarterback to ever start a game for Dallas - Don Meredith (one start in 1960), Roger Staubach (one in 1969), Kevin Sweeney (two in 1987), Aikman (11 in 1989) and Steve Walsh (five in 1989)."

    It's from the Cowboy's site so you have to think they know what they are talking about.
     
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    He got one start in 69 you think it might have been because of an injury to Morton who never had a complete season healthy in the NFL. Morton started 13 games in 69 12 in 70 and 10 in 71.

    Back on point the idea that if a QB doesn't get the reigns by his second year he isn't going to be a top guy with the team that drafted him just isn't the case. On top of that their are plenty of examples of young talented QB's who were mishandled early in their careers who had great success later. The point is you don't like how Mangini is bringing Clemens along so you're speculating that it's about public pressure or something else. I don't like that Mangini hasn't turned it over to Clemens but I think it's about their plan on how to bring him along and I think that's reasonable.
     
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    It was the season-opening start...
     
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    http://www.sportsecyclopedia.com/nfl/dallas/cowboys.html

    FYI my favorite part is they slaughter the New England Patriots 44-21.
     
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    If chad blows another one, he better pull him.
     
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    No - Manbust is a crappy coach. He is much better suited for being a ball boy and making stupid cameos on the Sopranos...a crappy show.
     

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