Mangold touches the ball on every offensive snap and makes all the line calls. He's much more important than any CB. I'd much rather have Mario Williams than Revis on this team. We could definitely make due with Cromartie and Wilson with super Mario harrasing QB's all day.
A CB with a cap figure of $11.5 million is an issue but it is manageable. A CB with a cap figure where Revis likely wants it to be is not. Asomugha was not manageable for Oakland and we're just lucky that Revis was a holdout not on the FA market when we renegotiated his contract.
Only person id trade Revis for is D. Ware ... We have yet to see what Mario could do in a 3-4 for an entire season ... Coverage skills etc
I'm not against trading Revis if the price is right. That's a big if. A stud CB, in my opinion, is not the most productive position to have your number 1 guy in. I'd rather have a stud end or pass rusher or QB or RB. He's more of a luxury. And at this point, we need more than a luxury to win. ***Haloti Ngata for Revis....I'd be in for that. Or Revis for Clay Matthews.
Revis epitomizes what it is to be a true New York Jet. Week after week 1/3 of the field is completely shut down by Revis Island. I will admit to being a homer here for good reason. The guy is going to be a dominant player in the National Football League for the next 10 years. This is what I will never understand about some fans and the franchise. You reward idiots like Holmes and you snub work ethic like Revis. If anything you work on trading Holmes and Cromartie and let the young guys like Kerley and Wilson step up to the plate. Both young guys have proven they are ready. I honestly cannot believe this is the discussion today. This thread should die, and yet here I am posting in it.
I hate Holmes. I hated the fact that the Jets even considered resigning him, let alone the retarded deal they gave him. He's a good number 2 getting number 1 money. Probably one of the most over-valued players in the game. And Cromartie is just a big risk big reward player. He'll either make a great play or get burnt. I'd be all for trading them both. Get rid of Pace and anything we have under contract at Safety also.
Seriously, why not trade Mongold while we are at it? I understand we have a couple of first rounders at CB, but no depth at LT and you still want to trade away DBrick. You gave two reasons for the trade: 1. Two first rounders for Revis, and probably two first day picks for D'Brick. 2. Cap relief. Here's why I think you are completely wrong. 1. The first rounders we get, we HAVE to hit on them. Else, you might just draft a couple of Gholstons and be doomed as a franchise for the next few years. Revis is the best NFL player. What are the odds that we draft the best rookie, let alone having the arguably the best defender in the NFL? I say the odds are 1 to 32. Go figure. 2. Cap relief. I don't think so. Did u even consider looking those two players contracts? If we trade away Revis this year, we take on a cap hit of 10+mil. Thats not dead money. Thats cap hit. Not only would we have to absorb Revis' entire 2012 salary, we would also have to absorb an additional 10mil in cap hit. For the record, thats $22mil in dead money. If we release him in 2013, we have to absorb $12mil in dead money. $9mil in 2014. When do you wanna trade him? After 2014, his contract is up anyways. As for DBrick, LTs come at a premium. You don't find pro bowl caliber LTs for a few mils. Brick's dead money in 2012? almost $22mil. How aout in 2013? $18 mil. 2014? $8mil. 2015? $5mil. After 2015, he would be 32 years old. Again, the two players you mentioned, are not going ANYWHERE until after 2014 season maybe. Jets will unload Pace, Scott, Hunter and E. Smith and save over $23 mil in cap savings. Thats four starters Jets HAVE to replace through draft this year next year, and maybe FA next year.
Mark Sanchez and Santonio Holmes both need to restructure they are the biggest wastes of money on the team.
It is obvious that the Jets found a way to lose 8 games last year despite having Revis on the team, but the D was primarily responsible for only one loss, that being the Oakland game. The fact is despite all those completions to TE's that if the O had held up their end of the bargain, the Jets would have gone to the playoffs no question. Meanwhile Revis made the game turning plays in the wins against Dallas and San Diego. Two wins the Jets would not have had if he were not on the team. OF COURSE I am not saying he won those games singlehandedly. It's a team sport. But we can say without those plays, the Jets almost certainly would not have won those two games. The other point you are missing is that Ryan's whole D depends on not having to double cover the other team's top wideout. Without Revis, the Jets would either have to use a lesser cb to cover the opponent's #1 wideout, or use two people. In the first case, there should be no question but that that receiver would hurt the Jets more. And in the second there should be no question but that other parts of the Jet D would suffer from the subtraction of that second player covering the wideout. It's not Revis's fault that the linebackers are slow. But given the orientation of the league right now, and taking into account that the Jets gave up fewer passing TD's than all but two other teams, failing to give credit to his presence on the team is very one sided and represents poor analysis.
my main issue with Rex is how he can let 2 safeties play so "traditionally" with the best corner duo in the league....makes no gdamn sense to me.. they should be all over the place after the snap.....not peddling backwards....i think if we played without safeties wouldnt make a difference
To your point #1, wow we must have signed a bad contract with Revis if we still have to pay him after we trade him; I doubt you are correct with this statement. Point #2, yes Brick is a good player, not great. I know he had a down year last year and made the PB based on name, you have to admit that. Again, yes the dead $ would be if we CUT him, not traded him. Basically your arguments are shit as we wouldnt have dead $ by trading players with their current contract....nice try rookie
I totally agree. Especially since we have trouble putting pressure on the Qb. One of the safties should be blitzing on just about every snap.
So...your point is that if Revis holds out again the Jets are screwed? Then why do you go on to explain why if Revis holds out the Jets have all of the power, Revis has none, and he will be forced to agree to the Jets terms or go sit on his couch ad infinitum? The whole premise for trading Revis is that we'll be screwed when he holds out again. But apparently he can't. And you all want to go get on the horn and call every team in the league to go trade the guy. Clowns one and all. If a retard wants to call Tanny about Revis, he won't need your damn help. Stop this nonsense for the love of God.
"The NYJETS wouldnt have won 8 games without him last season. He literally shuts down the opposing teams passing game." Quotes like this make me smh in disbelief. If Revis was able to shut down an opposing teams passing game, the Jets would've probably went undefeated or at least made the playoffs. The level of fanaticism for Revis is unbelievable that you think he could shut down a whole passing game. I remember the Pats x2, Cowboys, Bills, Eagles and Giants having pretty good games against the Jets Pass defense. Yes he is elite, but not at the level of ever shutting down an entire pass offense.
Mangold cost us 2 separate games last year with bad snap turnovers. How many did Revis cost us? I'd much rather keep Revis and draft a good OLB, but maybe I'm just crazy.
One person says that Revis shuts down the passing game and you latch onto it and pass it off as fanaticism. Revis is as good as it gets at the CB position. Even Sanders was allowed to interfere with receivers 5 yards past the LOS. Sanders wouldn't have been as good a corner in this day and age.
