Why Yes, I would Trade Revis

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  1. Barcs

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    Oh I forgot. Interceptions never happen in superbowls and shutting down the primary receiver means nothing LOL.
     
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    If he holds out next year, THEN we trade him. The guy has more money than he knows what to do with. The contract he has now was over inflated based on the ludicrous deal that Nmandi got in Oakland, which ended up getting voided. He got overpayed, no question, and based on today's market, it's doubtful he'll get a similar or better deal. Holdout is not happening again. Our team is built to stop the pass, and it makes sense since we are a defensive team. In a passing league, having a shutdown corner is key and yes, a CB can help lead a team to a superbowl by taking away the primary passing option every play.
     
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    Both correct. Revis would never bring a 27 year old Ware or Suggs 1-for-1. At just entering post-prime for both of them the value is plausible for the teams originating the deals. The extra 1st in each case is to take into account the fact that players going post-prime are generally less valuable than players in their prime.

    Cap ramifications matter and both the 14 and the 29 picks should produce strong players alongside Ware/Suggs.

    I think a package of players and picks is the smart way to go also. And not just any players, only players who have more impact on defense than a CB.
     
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    If we wait until he holds out then we lose leverage, tus recieve less in return. Negotiations are obviously not a strength for you.
     
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    If it ever gets to a holdout both Revis and the Jets are screwed. Just my opinion but I don't think the Jets are going to pay Revis like a QB and that's what he'd be looking for.

    As soon as he holds out 3 additional years get tacked on his contract at a fairly low rate, like $4m a year or something like that. At that point he can't come back in off the ledge and the Jets won't pay him what he wants and he probably takes a year+ off.

    When Deion was having trouble getting the money he wanted he had a plausible alternative in baseball. Revis has talked about playing basketball but there's absolutely no evidence that he's good enough to command the kind of money there that Deion got out of baseball.
     
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    If Revis threatens the Jets that he'll holdout and go play basketball, then the Jets should dare him.
     
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    So in your world, it's a smart idea to trade one of the best CBs of all time, simply because he has value now, just in case. Interesting.

    Our passing defense is a good cover safety and pass rusher away from being hands down #1. If we achieve that status, we'll be virtually immune to elite QBs in the future. We need to work with what we have. Don't forget what our secondary did to Peyton Manning in the 2010 playoffs. Without Revis we lose that game, no question.
     
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    I think if the Jets see that coming they should trade him. Prima donna edge players don't win championships no matter how talented they are. Darrelle Revis is the equivalent of Terrell Owens at his peak but on the defensive side of the ball. Randy Moss is another great edge player with no rings. So is Champ Bailey.

    You win Super Bowls up the middle of the field. If an edge player is causing talent alignment problems you have to find a way to move his value inside.
     
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    That's a load of nonsense. Elite corners and free safeties play well into their thirties as long as they are healthy. Bailey, Sanders, Woodson, Sharper to just name a few. It's one of the least taxing positions on the field as far as taking a pounding. Even if Revis' loses a step speedwise as he gets older his technique, smarts and instincts have very few flaws which should keep him in the league a long time.
     
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    Where do you expect to find and then pay this imaginary Safety and pass rusher? When you do, how do you expect to pay them? When will we find them? I would argue that we will be in a better position to find these front line players you covet (we need depth too, as I pointed out) if we Trade Revis for picks ( I would prefer multipul years, 2 #1 picks and a 2nd in the 1st year). We would have Pace, Scott contracts falling off after 2012 and Revis. Call it 22 Million from 3 players. Overnight, cape relieif..
     
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    For what its worth I dont think #24 will be at Jet after this coming season. Hes going to want HUGE $$$... Either way you dont trade him now...
     
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    If you wait until the shit hits the fan with him you're in a crippled position trying to trade him. Teams smell blood in the water and they start low-balling offers. Revis likely wants in on the action also because he wants to guide where he's going and so he includes potential trade partners in the holdout threat.

    From my point of view right now the place to send Revis is Dallas. The Cowboys have a gambling tradition with free agents and in trades. Jerry Jones is not afraid to spend a lot of money. Revis would be flattered that the Cowboys had enough interest in him to make a big deal and rework his contract.

    Eli and the Giants would have to face Revis twice a year. The Jets would face Revis once in a blue moon. It's a huge win-win assuming the Jets can get an appropriate package for Revis out of the Cowboys and DWare has just hit the age where the Cowboys might well consider packaging him to go get the shutdown corner they have been looking for recently.
     
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    I disagree. Teams are turning to the passing game TE and WR. Cover corners like Revis arent easily found. The NYJETS wouldnt have won 8 games without him last season. He literally shuts down the opposing teams passing game. Are JETS fans this miserable or just plain dumb that they want the best player we have on the team traded? Geez
     
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    He doesn't shut down the opposing teams passing game. He often shuts down the connection between the opposing QB and his best receiver.

    This is not a small thing to be sure but the idea that Tom Brady can't destroy the Jets with seam routes to Gronkowski because Revis is on the field has been proven wrong by actual events.

    The idea that Peyton Manning can't destroy the Jets with slants to his slot receiver Austin Collie because Revis is on the field has been proven wrong by actual events.

    The idea that the Dolphins can't beat the Jets because Revis can cover Brandon Marshall has been proven wrong by actual events.

    A cornerback covers one branch of the opposing passing tree. In the modern NFL there's usually another branch that still beats you in that situation. If not there's often a third branch that snaps back and hits you in the face.

    The way to beat a great passing attack is to make the opposing QB's options too complicated to sort out easily and the only way to do that consistently is to put people in his face in the backfield.
     
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    SO, what great corner ever won a team a SB? Cant say Deion, He had Aikman, and Young s QB's, he was a compliment. Yes you do trade your best player if you get a kings randsome in return, and if he plays CB (espicially if you have 2 other #1's as CB's). We are loaded at CB and need to cash in REVIS!
     
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    Sure, lets dump Mangold while we're at it. That would be awesome cap relief. Tanny knows numbers, if there's somebody he really wants, he'll get it done. We don't know our full cap situation just yet. There could be more contract restructures and plenty of other things. We just gotta wait and see how it plays out. Trading Revis isn't the answer. I can't think of any free agent or draft pick that would have the impact that he has on defense. Plus he's a great mentor for Kyle Wilson and Cromartie. If we dump a CB this year, it will probably be Cro.
     
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    Tom Brady picked us apart because our LBs are old and slow with the exception of Harris and our Safetys flat out suck. Trading Revis is not the answer.
     
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    You said Revis shuts down the opposing team's passing game. That's what I was responding too. Would you prefer to say that if the LB's are not old and slow and the safeties do not suck that Revis shuts down the opposing team's passing game?

    That's a more accurate characterization and shows where Revis real value lies and why paying him an 8th of the cap is probably a bad idea.
     
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    Trading Revis isnt the answer to any of our problems. How about overpaying a WR that flat out sucks. How about not adding depth to a roster. How about not drafting the right players. How about keeping inadequate coaches on the coaching staff. Wanna fix the NYJETS address these problems.
     
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    I wouldnt dump Mangold, unless of course we had 2 other 1st round picks playing behind him at the same position as we do with Revis...Stay with me bro
     

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