Why we Shouldn't be Concerned About Hunter at RT

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  1. Bellows1

    Bellows1 Well-Known Member

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    It doesn't give me a great deal of confidence that Rex learned much from last season.
     
  2. Footballgod214

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    I disagree.

    First, as we all know, there are not dozens of viable RT's running around looking for work. WFH is our guy. WFH will be our guy throughout the 2012 seasons.

    WFH performed very well for us in spot duty, including the playoffs, prior to his promo to staring RT for the NY Jets, a first for him.

    Yes, he got his socks knocked down last year. WFH himself pointed to the transition from bench to starting as a huge transition he was not prepared for. 2012? There will be no such excuse, and he's the first to say so.

    Shotty tried to start WFH at RT AND transition Sachnez from a running game to a pass happy cluster fuck at the same time. Epic fail. Sparano sees it differently. Sparano has the foresight of what WFH endured last season, where Shotty never saw it coming. Zone blocking with a dominate running game, sending WFH on the attack against one man will prevail infinitely better than asking WFH to pass protect over 60 times in one game.

    Add Hill/Schillens opposite cry baby and defenses won't be able to stack the box nearly as often, blitz nearly as often, nor be able to blanket Mark's loan receiving threat. Unlike Burress, you can't cover those two with a line backer. What Revis gives Rex (a free player to stack the box or blitz) Hill/Schillens takes away. Between Tone and Hill/Schillens, opposing D's will be FORCED to keep a safety deep in cover two. This gives Greene room to roam and gives Keller the underneath, which means WFH won't have to hold point for 45 minutes.

    With the full knowledge of what WFH brought last season, the coaching staff will have little trouble planning an offense that avoids his weaknesses and caters to his strengths, which he has plenty of.

    WFH will not be an issue in 2012.
     
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  3. laxin

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    Im pretty sure that we played with a zone blocking scheme last year and years prior under Schotty and Callahan and have switched to a man blocking scheme under Sparano...

    So idk if that screws up your argument really, because if if switching to a man blocking scheme benefited everybody, then all of the teams would be using it.
     
  4. Footballgod214

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    Yes, you sir, are correct. Point is, Shotty had no clue how bad WFH would be, especially after how well he did during the playoffs. If Shotty had even a tiny clue to how bad WFH would be, there is no way he'd instill a highlight real, pass happy offense around WFH.

    Exit Shotty stage left.

    Sparano has a full season of tape on WFH and won't make the same mistakes.
     
  5. Br4d

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    Well, we'll know game one because the Bills have a real pass rush. We should have known last year when Sanchez got creamed in under two seconds by DWare. This year we'll know.
     
  6. Footballgod214

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    I could be wrong but I think this is the moment WFH said shook his confidence and fucked him up the entire season.

    I bet in the huddle whenever a pass play was called WFH let out a groan.
     
  7. Br4d

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    The feeling I got from watching Hunter last year was that he just decided to roll with the blows, shake it off after each play and try to be better on the next one. That's an admirable attitude to take when you're being tossed around like a rag doll at times but have to stay out there anyway because there's nobody better than you on the roster to play RT.

    The problem is that in the majority of the games the Jets played last season Hunter did not look like an acceptable RT. He's 31 this year and the odds on him looking better are not good, although he wouldn't have to play all that well to be a substantial improvement over how he played last year.

    I'm still almost staggered by the fact that the Jets are treating their RT position the same way that Hunter treated each play last year. While it is understandable that he was going to get up after each play and put the best face on it and try to do better next time as a player it is not understandable why the Jets would continue to allow him to do this.

    Last year they put themselves in a position where their options just kept looking worse and worse until their season got buried at the end by a porous offensive line and a battered QB exhibiting the first stages of David Carr syndrome. They were locked into a downward spiral for the season and that spiral manifested as a collapse at the end.

    This year they weren't locked into anything. They chose to guarantee Wayne Hunter's salary in a year in which cap space was going to be at a premium if not quite no-margins tight. When they did that they took the first step towards having one of last year's biggest problems be one of this year's biggest problems.

    Players can get up and shake it off and try to do better on the next play. What other choice do they have when they are over-matched? Management needs to change the players when that situation develops because when a player is over-matched on the field it is management's fault for putting him there.

    Instead the Jets chose to just get up and shake it off and hope Hunter does better this season. That's not a viable response to an aging lineman who had severe performance problems last year. There isn't even any real upside for the Jets here. The best they can hope for is that Hunter manages to keep it together for a year while they go looking for a replacement - a process that they needed to start this year, not next.
     
  8. CBG

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    Ugh what is worse,,,that Hunter is still here,,or that he is still THE starter :eek:hmy:
     
  9. How bout one player doesn't make or break an entire O-line? That all 5 go into this season healthy which basically didn't happen at all last season?(Moore was out w/ a hip issue in TC). They won't be asked to pass protect for 50+ plays a game which they weren't built to do anyway? That Hunter won't be isolated on plus pass pushers on every drop back? An improved WR corps will keep 9 or 10 out of the box to simplify the blocking scheme & reduce the quantity of rushers?

    I see plenty of reasons that this O-line will be considerably better. The O-line works more as a unit than 5 individuals anyway. Clearly I'm in the minority with that line of thinking but I think it's foolish to highlight the Right Tackle position as the sole reason this team will be a failure this upcoming season. It just doesn't work that way.
     
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  10. Zach

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    You were saying?
     
  11. 2 plays makes your entire argument?How about the dozens of plays that Hunter blocked his man like he was supposed to?

    No matter...We'll see who's right & who's wrong in a few weeks.
     
  12. NotSatoshiNakamoto

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    What prompted me to make this thread was re-watching the Jets vs. Chiefs game from 2011 yesterday and seeing WFH look like a turnstile against a rookie - kind of like the recently posted youtube clips.
     
  13. tfineZ

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    The Whole Offense was bad last year its like they were completely over matched at times Mangold was the only good one...D'brick sucked...Protections were lousy...It wasnt just WFH.....Sanchez held the ball too long waiting for his lethargic WR'S to get open after running into each other....Keller would let balls hit him in the helmet...Shonne Green cant catch out of the backfield has balls tipped and INT (NE game) Holmes has balls go through his fingers and INT(Philly Game) Plays took waaay took long to develop leaving Sanchez running for his life....Keller was used incorrectly never went deep... Plax was bitch about not getting the balls then when he did he would drop it...So you see it wasnt just one guy...
     
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    Isn't it obvious: We have Tebow, therefore we have God on our side. End of discussion.
     
  15. Zach

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    That is "two plays that I could find easily". If you thought these were all WFH had to offer, you are sorely mistaken.
     
  16. I know he had other bad plays. But you did nothing to contradict any of my contentions as to why things would be better than continue dwelling on last season. Furthermore...you are actually helping one of my points..because I doubt Sparano would be stupid enough to Isolate "WFH" against Demarcus Ware and Von Miller in pass protection.
     
  17. fozzi58

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    Almost correct - fixed some of that for you.

    Brandon Moore was the only OLineman that played well last year.

    Considering 4 of 5 OLinemen had a sub par year, not to mention 2 with injuries (Slaw & Mangold) the OLine would be better this year with no changes even to the scheme , let alone the players. Major injuries like Mangold and Slaw experienced hurt the overall performance of the OLine as whole and left the less experienced out on an island to fend for themselves (e.g. WFH, COLON Baxter - cause he stunk like one)
     
  18. Big Blocker

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    I think the Jet FO did nothing about the OL because of VD. They did not, and do not, want to admit VD is a bust, but he takes up a roster spot, and they were not going to use a high draft pick on the OL, either. In effect by doing nothing with either Hunter or VD, the FO doubled down on what so far has been a failed approach to RT and the OL bench.

    It is not impossible VD can improve, but it is unlikely. Still that seems more likely than that a 31 year old journeyman RT who sucked last year will suddenly play well.
     
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    Cimini is reporting that Vernon Carey is the back up plan. Another hold the fort guy I guess if Hunter struggles badly in the preseason. From all I read they are keeping Ducasse inside at guard. How the o-line goes will determine a lot about the future of this season.


    "The Jets have former Dolphin Vernon Carey on their short list, according to sources, and could reach out if Hunter struggles. "


    http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/jets/
     
  20. They just need to make up their minds on Vlad. All reports are that he looked good filling in for Slauson at left guard during mini-camps, but if he is ready to become a starter(and yes that's a HUGE if) why move him to a position where the Jets have decent depth w/ Griffin & Schlauderoff when they have such question marks at tackle? Say what you will about him...but he could really give this group a boost as a run blocker if he can learn consistency as a pass protector.

    Carey is really no better than Hunter at this stage. I truly believe that the adjustments in scheme/philosophy as well as a healthy starting 5 will serve for some major improvement...But if Vlad is gonna be a guard moving forward...RT is going to be a HUGE need starting immediately in 2013.
     

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