No problem. I see you are new here, its all good. Just be careful about things like punctuation and paragraphs. Alot of posters, especially the vets, will just ignore a post like that. It is not so easy to read and looks like a big glob of words. You seem like one of the few noobs this year that has something intelligent to say, hope to see more from you in the future.
I totally agree. Who does Atlanta think they are huh? I mean i'm a nice guy and I pull for the Falcons whenever i can but this is getting ridiculous. They signed the guy for 14-15 million in guaranteed money...how is a guy signed to that large a contract not worth at least the fifteen pick? You have to look at it this way- can Atlanta get someone better at RE than Abe with the 15th pick in the draft. The answer, unless Mario Williams takes a very large pitfall (which will not happen) is NO. So Abe is more than worth that pick. Its despicable that Atlanta is lowballing us like this. The mods should create one of those smilies like:bills_suck: or something that goes: Atlanta sucks!!! Screw them Falcons!"
Seattle Inks Hutch Seattle has matched all the terms under HUtch's offer. So, now that they have cleared this situation up, we will probably see some movement on the JA situation. Seattle's cap was hanging in the balance while they decided on arbitration. Now, they know where they stand and can make an offer to JA on that basis. Let's see what happens tomorrow.
What are you talking about? The deadline is Friday and if you don't beleive then ask the someone else. He has not sign the tender so techinically we can't make him do anything. Yes, he will remain a Jet, but do we really want him back in uniform?
I would ask if you have paid any attention so far in this conversation, but it is blatantly obvious you have not. I will repeat this, again, just for you. No matter what, if another team signs JAbe, without first making a trade with us, they owe us two first round draft picks. This is why players hate the franchise tag. It makes them untouchable by all but their current team. Sort of makes sense doesn't it? I mean, it is a Franchise Tag. What about this doesn't make sense to you?
Thanks for letting a 'noob' know that he's welcome. :beer: FWIW I have also been a Jets fan since the days of Namath, Casper and Riggins (Yeah, I remember him as a JET, screw the Redskins!). Naturally, being an Alabama Crimson Tide fan, my favorite would be Joe Namath. - With that in mind, maybe the Jets should consider drafting U of A QB Brodie Croyle this year. I think he'd make a darned good backup to whoever as he does have a lot of heart and toughness. (Had to mention it, NYJ & U of A connection!) :up: Not to stray from the subject too much, I'm really geeked about the possibility of the Birds getting JAbe. I honestly can say even if the Falcons give up their first rounder for him it would be worth it. I mentioned the DL earlier, but with a healthy Hartwell at LB, and new acquisition Milloy at safety, I just start foaming out the mouth. :eaglessuck:
Thanks for the info mudman i have not followed the hutch situation closely Is thast outcome positive for the Jets?
I guess. If the Jets wanted to get something done by Friday(for whatever reason) with the Hawks and the situation was still in arbitration, Seattle might have had its hands tied in inking a deal with JA. This would have adversely affected the Jets leverage a little bit in my opinion. Having this situation resolved allows Seattle to bargain with JA's agents this week with no other obstacles. Just makes the playing field more even for Seattle. Which, in my opinion, benefits the Jets in their negotiations with the Falcons.
The Friday deadline is irrelevant to the current situation. Friday simply is last day for JA to sign a contract with another team as a franchise player and then the Jets either match or accept 2 first rd picks. Since that will never happen, that date is moot. This deal will be a sign and trade. The Jets can sign JA and then trade him to either Seattle or Atlanta at any time. Obviously, prior to the draft is an "unnofficial" deadline in that it impacts this years draft
Alio, your posts get better and better. I think sums up the John Abe situation very clearly. Having said that I think there will be a sting in the tail of this saga and I can see someone maybe like the Tuna maybe getting involved for Abe. I like Dallas already for their division.
No...this isn't positive for the Jets if the special arbitrator rules that Hutchinson is seattle property. IF he does, it means that Hutch will count huge against their cap, and there will probably NOT be enough space left for them to accomodate the 18 million guaranteed JA wants. Before they would've had enough space because a transition player doesn't count against the cap unless they sign the tender. That would give the Falcons no reason to up the anty, because the Jets would have no one else to turn to and would have to either accept the Falcons deal or have an unhappy Abe in green and white again. Later my mud-covered friend.
You just became my favorite non-TGG regular poster for that comment alone. Finally, someone agrees with me on Croyle! :beer:
The arbitrator has been removed from the equation. Seattle re-structured W. Jones contract today, so the clause in the contract wouldnt impact their cap. They effectively lowered W. Jones average salary by adding a year to the deal. Therefore, Hutch's salary match wont not be as detrimental to the team as if the arbitrator ruled against them. Now this headache is behind them and they can focus on JA's contract. They do have a deal with the Jets so they must have the room under the cap to meet JA's needs. your mud-covered friend.
You were saying that the franchise tender doesn't expire this friday. What are you not getting here? He never signed the TENDER. He is acting as a free agent and don't have to do anything as for a trade is concern if he doesn't like. And if you think our FO is going to go thru what Philly did with TO, then you have a lot to learn. I say no way. But we all can dream, I guess.
"Rich" Caster... Yeah, that's who I meant. I always confused him with the "Friendly Ghost" for some reason. Of course I was a kid back then but remember he was a favorite target of Joe Willy Whiteshoes. It looks like Seattle's going to be keeping Hutchinson after reworking Jone's contract. This would seem to favor Atlanta in acquiring JAbe which is what I've been wanting to happen. I will have to give ATL's FO one thing, they are some patient people when it comes to FA acquisitions. They literally drive me nuts during this time of the year. :breakdance:
The concern here for Jet fans is if Seattle decides that they want to move on and they use the $ they had designated for Abraham to sign Julian Peterson and then don't have $ to sign JA. That reduces the bidding and removes an option, thus theoretically strengthening Atlanta's hand.
In physical talent alone when he is healthy...probably. When you factor everything else into the equation:History of injuries, bad attitude over the years, cost of signing him, age, physical ability, what other teams are willing to offer....then hell no hes not worth more than the 15th overall. If he was then teams all over the NFL would be beating down the Jets door with offers of their high first round picks. With the signing of Hutch by the Seahwaks and a few other FA's they are targeting that offer realistically isnt there anymore. They just cant afford him now. Dude JAbe has a huge amount of leverage here...You need to email a Football analyist and ask his opinion about this. First he hasnt even signed the Franchise tender yet, also he can ABSOLUTELY KILL any trade your FO works out by just not signing with that team. Say houston want to give the Jets the 1st overall straight up for JA and the Jets say "HELL YEAH"...but Abe says no freaking way then Bye Bye 1st overall. You see my point here. No way are the Jets going to sit a 8.5 million player on the bench all year. If you think they are you need to take some business management classes at your local community college real soon. LMAO there is no rule about sitting out a season and or training camp due to contract demands and negotiating, so give that up. Dude I want some of what youre smoking....With comments like that it must be REALLY good. Of course a team can DEMAND whatever it wants really, but its a whole different story in dealing with what a team can realistically get. Unless he doesnt want to. Then he just says no and youre back to square one. No team in the NFL is going to sign a Franchise free agent, therefore giving up thier next to first rounders. Again BM classes at the local community college. See above reply to the Seattle scenario. Just never going to happen dude. You might get this years 2nd and 3rd but you can forget about the 15th. Again BM classes. No team with 8.5 million invested in a player is sitting him just because he wont play for the team you want to trade him to.
POV From a Falcons Fan Thanks for clarifying that to all of the other Jet fans here. I am a Falcon fan & have been reading your JA posts here for a while. I just wanted to ask yous guys why, after seeing what happened w/ T.O. last off-season w/ his Ravens fiasco, you think JA will go anywhere other than where he wants to go? T.O wanted to go to phili & he ended up in phili. Your FO reportedly had already agreed to accept our offer of our 2nd rnd pick & a player to be named, prbly either Duckett or Demorrio Williams. Then essentially double-crossed the Falcons (Chris Mortensen's words on ESPN radio, not mine) by starting up talks w/ Seattle after agreeing to the Falcons offer. Since your gonna be running the 3-4, which for the $$ you'll be paying him, JA doesn't fit well in as a DE or an OLB & you need true LBs, either Duckett/RB or Demorrio Williams/OLB would be a good fit for you guys. Does JA have 1st rnd talent, you bet but his $$ contract $$ lowers his value considerably. This is evidenced by the obvious lack of teams vying to get him on their roster. He wants to play in ATL, close to home & if it comes down to the $$ the Falcons will end up matching any contract Seattle might throw @ Abe. He obviously doesn't want to play in South Alaska or NY. & your FO obviously doesn't want him in NY. Or if he stays on your roster your stuck paying him a small fortune w/ him having no true position to play, being a hold-out/no show @ camp & a complete malcontent distraction in the locker room/on the bench. I'm guessing that is not the first impression your new FO wants to make, picking up right where your old regime left off w/ JA. The definition of insanity is repeating the same mistakes & expecting different results. JA & his agents are reportedly not returning calls from Seattle & it doesn't look like they can afford him anyway. Denver won't part w/ their (#22) 1st rnd pick either for JA. I hope your FO eventally honors the deal they originally agreed to w/ the Falcons. The Jets get another 2nd rnd pick + a good player that will help them & the Falcons get the player they've been targeting all along, keeping #15. I'm here to tell you that McKay who is one of the front-runners in line to be the next Commish of the NFL is not gonna offer up our #15, if anyhing we'll offer you a 2nd or 3rd rnd pick in next yrs draft. & unless you keep him on your roster, risking a hold-out, $$$, etc. the Falcons deal will be the best one on the table for the Jets. Anyway, you can see I'm passionate about my team & I hope you do not hold that against me. I know we'll disagree on this, I just want you to see it from my & the Falcons fans perspective. Sincerely, good luck next in the season AFC vs the Pats, Bills & Fins & the rest of the AFC
