Exactly, it's the most ridiculous arguement anyone can make. How about comparing him to some of those same QB's through the same of amount of starts. Some of his numbers are better and some are worse, but he holds his own when given a reasonable comparison. But I would submit those other QB's were in better situations. He had no work with his recievers in the off season, the recievering corp had very little experience (now Peyton is saying they don't even know how to run routes properly), and I can't remember a QB in history that his own ownership and coaching staff tried to make sure their QB failed than Tebow, but he was still able overcame the adversity. Yes his completion % was not good, but when you look at things objectively you see that he is more than capable of improving those numbers. And if he does that as I suspect he will if given the chance, he will be dang hard for a defense to prepare for. He was very accurate in college so I know he has the ability, the difference is he has to become more confident in his recievers and be willing to put the ball in those small windows. He has the ability to do that but at this point doesn't have the confidence. I know some of you are going to reference some of the horrible passes he made, and a team where he was running for his life, trying to throw to a bunch of inexperienced recievers (that don't even no how to run routes according to Peyton), with a coaching staff that was setting him up for failure to begin with. Yeah that is a great measuring stick for what he can do give a better situation.
I can go along with most of this, except that the "staff and ownership tried to make sure he failed." There's no evidence that was the case. When the season was all but gone, they yanked Orton and put in Tebow. They changed the offense to suit his strengths, and I believe the coaches did everything they knew to do in order to win ball games. Now you can make a case that the staff didn't expect to have the kind of season they did. You can make a case that they put Tebow in figuring he'd bomb and that they could then draft Luck, or RGIII, and the fans would accept it. You can even make the case that Elway, despite his words to the contrary, had no intention of keeping Tebow any longer than was absolutely necessary. I think, had Manning not come available, they'd have drafted a QB fairly high and had an open competition. With the Broncos schedule this year, there's a good chance the team would've struggled (as I believe they will even with Manning), and they may have made the move to replace Tebow. But to say the staff and ownership "tried to make him fail" isn't borne out by the facts.
I agree, I don't think they TRIED to make him fail. I think they just expected him to. They did what they thought was best at the time. Not that I agree with it, it was just their line of thinking at the time. Elway wanted Luck, Tebow ruined it.
I think I agree with both you guys - to some extent. I don't think I would go as far as to say the Broncos FO was trying to make sure he failed but I would say they anticipated and hoped he would. They wanted the Bronco fans to drop the Tebow idea all together. Elway wanted to make his own choice at QB and he had no ties to Tebow. I couldn't figure at all why they would even consider Orton as the started especially after a 3-10 year and trying to trade him preseason. It made no sense for the future of the team. Then when they made the move to Tebow they immediately traded their number one receiver. That isn't exactly telling your QB who hasn't even had reps with the first unit you are really behind him. Thomas hadn't started a game until the same week Tebow started. Remember before they traded Royal - Tebow had actually played at receiver because the receiving group was so thin. I think the only way they could get out of the whole Tebow issue was Manning and they paid dearly to do it. JMHO.
They traded their #1 WR because he wanted out of Denver and pretty much refused to play. HAs nothing to do with Tebow, he wanted out regardless of who the QB was.
Denver didnt have to try that hard since Timmy sucks as an NFL passing QB all by himself.. Fortunately for the Jets Mark Sanchez a real NFL passing QB is the starter and Timmy can be the decent fullback he is equipped to be this season Then he can move on to his hometown Jaguars after Mr Khan hands the Jets a second rounder and take all the Te boneheads with him to try and put a few more fannys in the half empty Gator Bowl Sent from my SGH-T679 using Tapatalk 2
Like I have said on a number of occasions cupcake, Tebow's passing stats over his first 15 starts compare very favorably to those of Sanchez. Funny thing is that the more you talk, the more you expose your ignorance and stupidity. But hey, don't let that stop you.
Yeah but Sanchez did all his 1st 15 starts his rookie year Tebow was towards end of his rookie year and 5 games into his 2nd.
The more you post Fruitcake the more you expose yourself as a one toothed trailer trash praying Timmy nutjob Enjoy Jaguarsfans.com next season as your prayerful journey bowing to St Timmy continues Sent from my SGH-T679 using Tapatalk 2
Let's play like this is absolutely true. Royal was in his last year on his contract and a FA at the end of the year. Do you honestly believe he would have refused to play. Really? Do you think it is normal for a 1-4 team to trade their best receiver just to make him happy?
DT may very well be better. I think he has the skills if he can stay healthy and put it all together. My underlying point on Royal was and is Denver FO had given up on the season. If they were still thinking they were in an sort of competitive race they would not have traded him and certainly not to a conference rival. Remember Denver was damn limited in receiver options even before the trade. The only real starter left was Decker and he was in his second year and was injured a few games later. I might buy some of your ideas about his attitude but there are plenty of NFL players with locker room attitudes that don't get traded if they are needed. As far a expendable you are light years off. Your number one receiver isn't expendable when you put your back up QB in at WR because they don't have anyone else to put in the game.
It has happened plenty of times. Did you ever think the moved helped Tebow be successful? I am sure the thought was lets sabotage Tebow and trade our best receiver. Really? What other excuses are there for him? The Broncos had a good stretch of games last season That Tebow and others contributed to. They backed into the playoff (Jets did in '09 also not after a three game losing streak but they backed in)beat the Steelers in which Tebow played well. Why not leave it at that?
Let me say this one more time when evaluating a QB you have to put in the tape Stats mean very little. When evaluating Tebow or any Qb this is what you want to see on Tape. 1. Can the QB make all the throws (arm Strength) 2. is the Qb accurate meaning can he fit the ball in tight windows. 3. Pocket presence (is he willing to sit in the pocket waiting for the play to develop) 4. recognize mismatches 5. Recognize blitzes 6. Recognize Zone over man 7. make plays out side of the pocket Tebow at the present time can only do one of the seven listed.
The title of the thread should read why Manning >>>>>>>>> 99% of all QBs whoever lived this thread deserves 5 stars for stupidity though. You do realize there is not one person on these boards who says Tebow is a great QB right? You confuse people being fans of his with people saying he is great. NO one calls tebow a great QB
Lloyd absolutely was expendable to the Broncos. Why? Because, as you correctly stated, they had already given up on the season. They weren't "sabotaging Tebow" or "making sure he failed." There was no need to sabotage him. They were already convinced he'd fail. It was obvious to management the season was over and they were in rebuilding mode. So they threw Tebow out there and got rid of Lloyd, because he didn't figure in their future plans. He didn't figure in their future plans because he was a diva and they'd seen enough from Thomas to think he could be a number 1. They thought they had a good chance at Luck or RGIII. You don't want a diva like Lloyd around when you think you might be starting a rookie QB the next year. And even if Thomas didn't pan out, they figured they could find a receiver or two, which they did. All that said, I don't believe for a moment the coaches ever did anything but try to win the next game, and the next. And I don't think Elway wanted to lose, he just expected to, and that was okay as he was already looking toward the next season, salivating over Andrew Luck.
