LOLZ! That's hilarious! I'm gonna run with it. I diagnose some of the offense with "Attachment Disorder" and "Separation Disorder". Maybe Rex has Bipolar mood swings. Our D has PTSD. Who has Narcissistic Personality Disorder? Any nominees for Social Anxiety?
What are you talking about? Lying? He's in his second season. Obviously I didn't mean he has been a career back-up, although that would also be an accurate statement since he has been a back-up for... well, his entire, short career. I obviously meant he is going to be a career back-up. I don't even understand what you're saying. I called him a career back-up and you freaked out, saying he's barely been in the NFL and I have no way of knowing. Then I elaborated on the obvious point that he is a seventh round pick with almost no history to suggest he will be anything other than a back-up (based on the overwhelming history of seventh round quarterbacks), and you apparently think that constitutes a lie. Pick: was I saying he has been a career back-up, or he will be a career back-up? Either way, it's not a "lie", and it's certainly not "wrong". Your reading comprehension is awful.
1. Suggesting Tebow is not a sacrilege 2. Frankly, I see no difference between Tebow and Sanchez in terms of passing game. 3. Tebow brings the inside/outside zone read option, which Sanchez does not bring. If Sanchez cannot distinguish himself from a FB impersonating QB in Tebow, he had better sit. He is supposed to be the drop-back passer that Tebow is not - AND he sucks just as much, if not more. That's not going to work. 4. With Holmes done for the season, and Revis possibly done, change to Tebow is in fact the only reasonable alternative Jets have at this particular point - especially with the struggling run games and whatnot. Bringing T.O. or Chad Johnson or whoever is left at scrap heap will just not work. Also, being able to work the ground game - thus a. shortening the game and b. giving the defense rest would do wonders to the entire team. 5. Wildcat? Get it right. Jets will do well to go back to 1. zone read options and 2. wing T football at this point, if they want any semblance of competitive football. Sanchez does not bring any merit in ANY situation, regardless of the protection. Greene may not be the ideal back here, but Powell/Tebow backfield looks very promising to me, if Jets do decide to go with zone read option/wing T style offense. Hill will have a better shot at success that way too. Keller would do well to just convert to WR and play at flanker or slot.
Agree with all points except #2. Although their net effectiveness might be similar, I do think they're very different in the passing game. Sanchez is a dink and dunker that can move the ball more consistently, but he almost never rips off big plays and consequently, his drives inevitably stall. Tebow is terribly inaccurate and totally incapable of completing passes with any consistency, but that results in a bunch of incompletions punctuated by big chunks of yardage and long scoring plays.
So in the end, how are they different? This is a production business - and you let your production on the scoreboard talk.
I'm not sure where the 20 total TD's is coming from? Is it just a gut feeling based on the overall performance thus far? The numbers from last year would indicate that in 11.5 games Tebow would account for 18 TD's passing and rushing, which is respectable , but not great for a QB. I am not agreeing or disagreeing with you, just trying to get on the same page as you
Haha I mean, in terms of net production, they're not very different. I agree with you on that point. Just preempting the people that will mock the notion of them being equivalent passers based on the fact that Sanchez is more accurate. Tebow is more boom or bust, Sanchez more consistently subpar.
Are you serious? The components of passer rating are TP%, INT%, yards per attempt and completion percentage. That's how the NFL measures its quarterbacks. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passer_rating
Correct, of course. But while we're on the subject, I've always thought TD% is a stupid component to include. It seems counterintuitive to neglect TDs, but it's just so biased towards QBs without a quality running game. INT% is vital, because it measures how often you're turning the ball over relative to how often you pass. Yards per attempt and completion percentage are vital to determine how efficient your average pass is and how often your passes are successful. But a quarterback without a running game is going to have a much, much higher TD% because he's punching in short yardage TDs that would traditionally go to the running game. In general, I just don't think TD% is a particularly valuable stat.
18 TD's in 11.5 starts and 21 overall I believe is a terrible performance by a starting QB. That's basically 1.7 TD's a game or just a fraction above what the Jets are scoring now. And the Jets have no WR on the roster at the moment who is remotely as good as Demaryius Thomas and they have no back as good as Willis McGahee. Watching the Broncos last year and their success early on with Tebow obscured the fact that they were just as bad an offensive team after Tebow took over as they were beforehand. What changed for them was the defense suddenly got better as Bailey and Dumervil got back on the field and playing at a high level. They got to critical mass on that side of the ball and they were suddenly capable of winning close games. This Jets team isn't going to create close games at this point with any reliability. If the offense can't score 20+ points a game it's going to be a very bad team. The Broncos scored 20+ points 4 times in 13 games that Tim Tebow started for them last year counting the playoffs.
Yes, what you say makes a lot of sense. I've sometimes wondered why they included it as a component of passer rating. Why should Troy Aikman get penalized because Emmitt Smith was such a TD machine? Maybe they thought that QBs who took more chances and produced more TDs and INTs would get penalized if they didn't include it? Anyway, off-topic, but here's an article stressing the high correlation between passer rating and victory. http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/kerry_byrne/08/03/defending-qb-rating/index.html
18 combined TDs for a QB in 11.5 starts isn't all that bad. Roethlisberger had 22 in 16 games last season. Flacco had 21 in 16 regular season games. Andy Dalton had 21 in 16 regular season games. Alex Smith had 19 in 16 regular season games. Vick had 19 in 13 games. It's not elite, but it's not bad. About middle of the pack.
Wow. who else but you would refer to someone who has been in a total of four NFL games a "career backup"? You said McElroy was a career backup as one of your reasons why the Jets should not play him. As in he's always been a career backup, so how you can you expect anything from him? It's like saying a young player has not gotten into the game yet at this point of his career, so he never should. A "career" that has been four games long. This is not some mere semantic game. I think it is virtually essential that the Jets find out what they have, or don't have, in McElroy. Know nothings such as yourself who dismiss that he should even be looked at based on his "long" career as nothing more than a backup deserve to be called on it. Your position was bs, I called you on it and now you are squealing about it. This is the way things work around here. If you don't like it, I suppose you can grow a pair, learn from it and get better, leave, or keep whining. And being misleading as you were being is not telling the truth. I know in politics there's supposed to be some distinction, but to me, not telling the truth is lying. Cry some more about it. It is amusing.
1.7 TD/s a game would have been good enough for 10th overall last year top 10 td's per game(passing and rushing) Rogers 3.2 Brees 2.9 brady 2.6 stafford 2.5 newton 2.18 romo 2 sanchez 2 ryan 1.9 manning 1.9 Rivers 1.75 Schaub 1.7 1.7 Td's per game provided by the QB like I said is repectable Sanchez is at 1.25 for the year...which would be good for 26th last year
Good post, Brad. In particular the part about Dumervil coming back, who is arguably their best player on D, but also Bailey, who was still getting it done when he came back. THe Tebots really began to annoy me when they said that the only thing that happened to the Broncos season was changing out Orton for Tebow, or even worse going back to 2010 when they had that scandal with the coaches and Orton was hurt.
1. I am not a Tebot. 2. I hate them just as much as you do, if not more. 3. That said, Jets are better off with Tebow, which speaks volumes about the current state of the offense.
First, just for clarity, it's too soon to pull the plug on Sanchez. Let's see what happens as a result of the 2 days off and everything associated with it. I'm still at the point where the entire team is executing so poorly that it's impossible to figure out exactly what else is wrong. THAT SAID; IF Rex and company decide to bench Sanchez, yes, Tebow should be in at starting QB. A number of people have mentioned that they can't revamp the entire offense. Guess what ? Last year, Denver DID NOT revamp their entire offense. They added a number of option plays, tweaked other plays to add option component (think Brady handing the ball off in shotgun formation). What they also changed is the play calling and game planning. They simply switched to being more run oriented. A second thing that was brought up is that Denver supposedly had the "right" personnel, while the Jets don't. That's not even close to being the case, as RochesterJet spelled out rather clearly. Powell and McKnight are just fine for running Spread Option. Greene might actually do well also. One change that would be made would be the blocking schemes for the Oline. A move away from Man blocking to a Zone blocking scheme. Hopefully, someone can teach Slauson how to pull and be a lead blocker, since he doesn't seem to do it very well now. Or perhaps see how Vlad does with it. With regards to Tebow's passing ability. From what I saw in the preseason, he's done pretty well with the work on his mechanics. Not perfect, mind you, but most his passes were actually pretty good. Some overthrows and underthrows, but most of those were in situations that aren't "normal", i.e. back foot throws, or like the missed TD to Hill, cross body throws while sidestepping to his right. Thing is, he made those throws quite a bit in college. But, as is almost always the case, when you change your mechanics, you have to "relearn" things. I doubt that on the top of his list of throws to practice were 30+ yard throws, across the body while cross stepping to the right sideline. BTW, I'll take the time to note that you won't find a single sentence here comparing Tebow to Sanchez, or arguing that he is better/worse. That's irrelevant to the points being made.
No, not "as in he's always been a career back-up". As in "he's a quarterback that was drafted in the seventh round -- he's going to be a career back-up". Your failure to understand the written word is not my problem, and it doesn't make me a liar. Anyway, this is like talking to a child. I don't need you to tell me how things work around here, thanks. There are plenty of knowledgable posters capable of an intelligent discussion. You're obviously not one of them. You use quotations around words like "long" for reasons that remain unclear. Did I use the word "long" to discuss McElroy's career? Did I make any reference to his career at all -- beyond the fact that he is going to be a career backup -- before you brought it up? Didn't think so. I referred to him as a career back-up because that's what he is going to be. It has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that he's been a back-up for his first two seasons in the NFL. But even by the rules of your retarded "gotcha" game, where you think I was referring to him as a career back-up on the basis of the last two years, that's exactly what he's been: a back-up. And no, it is not "virtually essential" that we look at what a seventh round quarterback has to offer. Keep screaming about it, though. It's going to be a pretty miserable decade for you as you push for Greg McElroy's big shot. He's got a better chance of being out of the NFL than earning a starting job over the next 3 years.
Dumervil played in 3 of Orton's 4 losses last season. The only loss he missed was against Tennessee, when the defense allowed 17 points (3 off of an Orton interception) and forced 2 turnovers.
