I'm staying on topic that OP stats argument isn't convincing. QB job is to pass the ball and qb rating is calculated accordingly. Intangibles, running, are different arguments.
How is Sanchez starting this week throwing him to the dogs? He has 50+ starts including playoffs, right? Starting anyone else this weeks is throwing them to the dogs.
Rushing numbers were included in the OP. But if you want to stick purely to passing numbers, I agree. There's no real impetus to make the switch, beyond maybe an argument that Tebow's lower turnover rate would be more important to us than Sanchez's greater completion percentage. But taking rushing ability and mobility -- and possibly intangibles -- into account, I think it's a clearer choice if Sanchez keeps up this level of play.
Actually, you are wrong. The QBs job is to try and direct the team down field to score points. How he does that doesn't matter. What some are trying to get through to you is that IF Sanchez can't pass (which he can't right now), and Tebow can't pass (which I disagree with, but that's another discussion), BUT, Tebow CAN run the ball, Tebow CAN escape from pressure and make positive plays, and Tebow can bring a better leadership dynamic to the team, i.e. inspire others to play better, THEN Tebow should be put in as the starter. If you still can't follow, how about a kind of "negative" proof. The only real reason to start Sanchez was that he was a better passer than Tebow. Oops, seems that right now, he's NOT a better passer. Ergo, there is no longer a reason to start him over Tebow.
Who is more likely is subjective and the stats don't shed light on it. Btw, tebow stats come from a team playing in the weakest division in the league. Start him on this team with this inept offense and watch his stats dive too. Ponder had worse stats than both QB. Who do you think who has more promise?
Denver's offense was just as inept. Their #1 WR had a grand total of about 40 catches to his credit and their #2 had less than 10. They had a mix of TEs who couldn't catch, not sure that any are even still with the team. Their #1 Rb had gone down (Moreno) and he was replaced by an old guy who most had concluded was pretty washed up (MaGahee). On their Oline, think they had 1 guys with more than 2 years experience ??
Actually, they replaced Tebow and brought in some vets at TE and WR. Think they also upgraded their Oline. Additionally, guys like Decker and DThomas matured a bit with a season under their belts (even with Tebow being the one passing the ball). It's kind of like how most of us think that Hill will be a better WR next year, due to the experience he gains playing on the field this year.
yep all it took was replacing the qb with an all time great, adding a veteran WR, two pass catching tight ends and getting the running backs healthy
Haha, it's not really provable. It's just the oldest and most often cited QB metric. But if you're talking about the NFL's QB rating, we're talking about the same thing. That's technically called passer rating, not quarterback rating. I thought you were referring to ESPN's QBR, which is truly and utterly awful.
So you want to install another team's offensive liability whose best attribute is running on a team who is offense is inept and can't run the ball? Then you go on to say the broncos added receivers are the reason for their offensive turn around. Given the current state of the jets receiving core, why do you think tebow would do anything here? Maybe because the broncos got a qb who could throw is the reason their offense has come to life.
Way to selectively read posts and ignore what was actually said Jon. Don't know if it's worth the effort to even try to explain something to a guy being that disingenuous.
if you don't have any receivers and the passing game would suck either way don't you think putting in a player that can bring something to the table running the ball would be a plus?
If everyone worse than Peyton Manning is an offensive liability, then apparently there have only been a few decent quarterbacks in the history of the game. Peyton is clearly better than Tebow. Obviously the offense got better when Peyton replaced him. I don't really think that says much about Tebow. There are only a handful of offenses in the NFL right now that wouldn't be better with Peyton. But I think you're missing the point on why Tebow might work. The fact that we don't have WRs is a pro in the Tebow debate, not a con. Sanchez needs quality WRs to get the ball to. Tebow doesn't really pass anyway, at least not in a traditional NFL style. It doesn't take a lot of talent to play WR in a Tebow offense. Just run around while he runs around and eventually your man is going to leave you and chase him. It's backyard football. He also creates a running game because with Tebow, the QB is live on runs. That gives you a +1 advantage in the box. Without that advantage, we're a terrible running team.
Tebow doesn't do a great job of running the ball. He hasn't run well this season with this team. Last year, he fumbled way more than Sanchez. If we want a QB to run 2-3 YPC we might as well go with the one who fumbles less.
I mean, he has 8 carries (not including the fake punt) in 4 games. It's hardly a representative sample size. He also actually lost fewer fumbles than Sanchez last year. It's true that he fumbled more, but he lost 6 fumbles -- Sanchez lost 8. Ultimately turnovers are what matter. Kind of silly to suggest that he's not a better runner than Sanchez, though.
Tebow doesn't do a great job running the ball ? IIRC, he had a higher YPC than any of the Jets RBs last year, and also higher than Matt Forte, Arian Foster, or any of the other starting RBs in the NFL. So, I'd have to say that he ran the ball quite well last year. BTW, just for your info: 122 carries, 660 yards, 5.4 yards per carry. Just for clarity, if you extend that out, he would have had 1000 yards in 185 carries. Shonne Greene's numbers were 253 carries, 1054 yards, 4.2 yards per carry. "Normalized" to 1000 yards, Greene needed 238 carries. In other words, Tebow would have hit 100 yards in 53 fewer carries. If Tebow had Greene's 253 carries, he would have had 1366 yards. Now, if you want to argue that Tebow wouldn't do as well as he did last year if he were running from a traditional RB position, I won't argue against that at all. Big difference between running Option as a QB and lining up in a single back set or I formation and running the ball.
When your qb runs you trade ints for fumbles. Opening your qb to punshing hits and strips is no answer. Look how well running qbs have done. Vince Young ? Even Vick has been coached out of running.
Vick has been coached out of running because he is fragile and can break if you look at him too hard. Vince Young is a head case and would have been the same head case if he was a pocket passer, ala Ryan Leaf.
