why is everyone down on matt simms

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  1. Acad23

    Acad23 Well-Known Member

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    Nonsense.

    You make room for players like that.
     
  2. Barcs

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    Nonsense. You keep the best players you can that fit the system. Connor was looking like a beast at that point. McKnight had future LT replacement potential, it's too bad he had that health problem. Again, Woodhead staying with the Jets wouldn't have come remotely close to the production he saw with elite QBs in pass heavy systems. In hind sight, yeah, I'd take him over Mcknight, but at the time it made sense. Nobody predicted McKnight would start collapsing instead of progressing. Woodhead showed signed, but Mcknight's potential was higher at the time.
     
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    Keep telling yourself whatever you want. At least you admit to being wrong about all three players.
     
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    LongIslandBlitz Well-Known Member

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    If Matt Simms is gonna start its gonna be in the CFL
     
  5. mezzavo

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    Ooop...right you are about it being McKnight!

    I don't know...I think Woodhead fits into a G & P offense...especially as that change of pace, catch the ball out of the backfield kind of guy. Unfortunately, I have to concede the QB part. Obviously we had nor have a QB close to Rivers...let alone Brady. :p
     
  6. Joe Willie White Shoes

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    It's hard to develop a QB when there is a QB competition every offseason eating into the reps for the young QB being developed. The worst thing the Jets can do this offseason is bring in a vet to compete for the starting QB job and draft another QB who also competes, splitting reps three ways (four if you count Simms). Smith needs to get the bulk of offseason and preseason reps this year to see if he develops and improves. Otherwise, another year of a 2, 3, or 4 QB competition guarantees the Jets won't have a QB in 2014.
     
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    While i do not see the Jets adding both a vet Qb and another draft pick project, I could not disagree more with the rest of your post. Smith has not earned the starting job without competition. Not only is there no assurance that he will be significantly better this coming year, it is questionable whether that is even likely.

    You also seem to have completely forgotten that the Jets did not have a real competition for Sanchez his whole time with the team. How did it work out giving HIM all those pre-season reps, and no competition?

    I am astounded given that example that you would spout such nonsense as I have quoted.
     
  8. The 1985er

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    That's what bringing in a vet is for. In case Geno stinks you have a vet that can step in and salvage the season. Another QB competition is bad for the development of Geno. He needs all the reps he can get in order to develop.
     
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    The point about getting a veteran backup is the guy doesn't need a lot of reps to be able to come on the field and perform at an acceptable level. That's his job, to be able to roll off the bench and not screw things up in a major fashion. Then if he needs to stay on the field for multiple games he has the reps given to him to make that work because he's the QB at that point.

    Getting a mid-rounds prospect is another situation where you don't have to give the guy a lot of reps. He spends his first year with his nose in the play book and learning about the NFL by watching and then in year two maybe he's ready if the guy in front of him is not for whatever reason.

    The Jets should do both of these things this off-season. They should go get a competent veteran backup QB and they should probably find time in the 12 picks they have to get somebody to hold a clipboard and learn Mornhinweg's offense. You're right that Geno should get most of the reps but that doesn't mean the Jets shouldn't have layers of scurity, both short and long term behind him, just in case.
     
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  10. Kentucky Jet

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    well I see that the Jets took a QB with no experience under center and won 8 games with little to no receivers and an inconsistent OL. Seems to contradict your statement about the Jets being particularly good at developing offensive talent especially at the QB position. I think the book is still open on the development of Geno. Like most draft picks, it takes a few years to really know what we have.
     
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  11. Kentucky Jet

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    Of course BOTH of those QBs have tons of experience and more talented teams. They also have been in their respective systems for quite some time so its really a reach to try to compare our situation to theirs. Lets re-visit in a few years for a more accurate comparison. Ya never know what can happen.
     
  12. kevmvp

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    I don't like crapping on a guys career but lets be honest. He's an UDFA who didn't have all that great of a college career. He was drafted cause he's got good height and size, a big arm, father was an NFL QB, brother was an NFL QB.

    For a UDFA, why not take a shot if your the Jets. I probably shouldn't just say "Simms isn't very good" cause there is no proof to that claim but, if the Jets thought much of him, we'd have seen him get some type of extended playing time at some point last year. Not just the second half of the Dolphins game and some mop up duty. He'd have gotten a start somewhere along the line. Geno was so bad for so long, if the Jets thought they had something, they would have rolled him out there at least once. JMO.
     
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    We already had LT for that role, and wanted McKnight to be his eventual replacement. He was more suited for it based on his burst speed. Woodhead could do either or, but he didn't excel tremendously at either one. He was a good / versatile player, just not really specialized in a single role.
     
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    He's OK but still just a 3rd QB on any team...
     
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    I don't think anyone is down on Matt Simms, I just don't think anyone is very high on him. I haven't seen anyone wanting to get rid of him or what not. A lot of people want a veteran type QB, something that Simms just isn't.
     
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    Not a huge simms fan but do like him over what we have now. Reminds me of a poor man's Romo.
     
  17. Kentucky Jet

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    Geno was bad for a 3 game stretch. What are you talking about? Tell me which QB would have done great with the lack of talent and experience he had to work with. The guy showed ability with little to no talent at WR. The OL was inconsistent and we had a rookie at OG and FB.
     
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  18. Kentucky Jet

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    I absolutely agree with you. Just as long as we dump Sanchez asap, I will be happy for him and us. I think the guy needs a new start and we need the cap relief. I like McCarron and Mettenberger.
     
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    Geno was bad for the large majority of the year. What are you talking about?

    And my post was in regards to Simms, not Geno. I think Geno can be a good player. Just needs to develop more.
     
  20. kevmvp

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    Geno hasn't earned the right to be named the starting QB. The worse thing the Jets can do is just name him the QB just so we can say "we don't have a QB competition".
     

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