god given talent? Do you see the muscles on that dude? If he was relying on god given talent he wouldnt be in such great shape physically. Rex said he couldnt tire the kid out. Thats due to dedicated training. Not god given talent that said I wanted Ingram all along and I just knew the Jets would fuck it up. Coples will be good for the Jets but not picking Ingram is gonna come back to haunt the Jets. Ingram is gonna be special
So now the problem isn't his talent evaluation. It's his hubris in thinking he can tease out the production that he correctly evaluated. The primadonna WR gets upset because we have the worst OC and RT in the league and now Rex isn't a player's coach anymore too? Why don't you just fire Rex right now on general principle? Obviously we don't want to be associated with such a useless clown.
IDK, in some ways I think I'd rather take a player who was great and had a down senior year than a player who was a nobody and then had a great senior year. I think it'll be a good pick.
Gholston had muscles... muscles are not an indication of god given talent, it's the easiest part of the body to work on. Being 6'6" & 285lbs in college with flexibility is what I'm talking about.
Ugh, how do you not take Ingram? Before Tebow trade I would have trusted Rex to know what he's doing, but this has a wiff of Ghost 2.0 to it. Another boom bust project, those have not been working out for us. Just ask Ducasse.
You don't get it. NO ONE is saying Coples doesn't have talent... no one. But many are saying it will be pretty hard to get all that talent to show up on game-day and I think Rex is over-confident in his ability to do that.
I am no expert and even experts are wrong half of the time but here are some reasons why I like it. It seems like he will play LDE for us so based on that here how I think it works. 1. In today's NFL, and you saw this clearly with the Jets last season, you have to play a lot of nickel to have any chance of stopping these passing games. That being the case it is extermely important to have players on the front lines who can play all downs and stuff the run as well as rush the passer. Last year we tried to sub in an out with Devito on run vs pass downs but teams are smart enough to exploit that. Basically we had situations in the Nickel when Devito was out and we would get gashed vs the run. Then we had Nickel situations with Devito in where we got no push in the middle from a pass rush standpoint. Now we have two ends that can both rush the passer and play solid run D. 2. The two best QB's in the AFC are manning and brady. Both like to stay in the pocket and have very little mobility. Coples and Wilkerson should allow us to push the pocket and force those guys out of the pocket which should help Maybin and Pace apply the pressure from the edges. 3. Lastly he's a big guy and its seems to me other teams are always batting down Sanchez passes. Having a 6'6 guy in front of you waving his hands around will make it tough on opposing QB's to throw in his direction. Would be nice to see more batted passes from our D.
Obviously I don't understand. Please...help me understand. What the fuck are you trying to claim? Rex's *hypothetical* overconfidence in his ability to coach up a single known lazy player keeps him from being a "great evaluator of DL/LB"? Can't wait. Maybe the problem is that nobody else thought Coples was worth the 16th pick? Yep. Nobody. Rex is the only jackass alive that would've taken a shot on Coples there. hmmmm. Know what I think you're really saying? Rex is a less than great sports psychologist. Good stuff.
Agree 100% with the original post. Rex loves Coples and promises they'll take him at 16 "no matter what". And lo and behold, he is the pick. Watching tape Rex falls in love with John Conner and so we spend a 4th round pick on a fullback. This is also provides further evidence that Rex is the de facto GM. I love Rex as a defensive coach, but he should not act as the GM also. Until we get a real GM (not a cap guru masquerading as a GM) who really understands the game, understands our schemes, and can evaluate talent, this team will never win a Super Bowl.
Nothing at all like Gholston. There is no indication this guy is a raw player who doesn't have any technique.
His attitude is definitely not right. Playing in Rex' 3-4 requires heart and passion. Lineman are responsible for the dirty work and eating up the double teams. With his questioned mind set and work ethic, the pick looks bad. But his potential is tremendous. If Rex can turn this guys mind around, it will be a great pick. But he will have to be willing to do the dirty work in the trenches in Rex system.
He was their BPA of all BPA's. 1-6 were set in stone...and there was no way that Coples should fall to us, but if he did, they weren't going to do anything but take him. They obviously knew this well in advance, and were willing to relay it to him in advance for whatever reason/s. Almost every mock in the whole world indicated Coples was BPA. This is not some fucking flyer. This is a beastly prospect, getting unleashed in one of the best possible systems for him in the league. We have Rex. We have the personnel. He would never have a better shot at succeeding anywhere more than here. If you can't see the value...you just can't see.
We spent a 5th on Conner. Still to much but a 5th isn't a 4th. Coples is a mid 1st round pick. Not a reach at all and I would bet he was the highest rated player on our board when we picked. That's what good GM's do they go BAP especially when it's a position of need which it is.
agree entirely. Many times in the 4th Q we lacked the talent to stop the big play, mostly on the D-lIne - The Jets knew that they had to fix this so that grabbed a 6'6 288 mountain with an 81" wing span , 35" vert-leap- problem solved! He's tuff to push off the line - a great run stuffer - Rex had to be salivating when he was there at 16.
I love Coples but Im afraid of what is going to happen to him after his rookie contract. I feel like he is the kind of guy who will play for that big contract than his effort will go. What gives me hope is that when people say he takes plays off it is not because he is tired like Haynesworth. He just loses interest. If we keep Coples interested he could be all pro. Personally I was hoping for DeCastro who I think is going to be one of the better guards in the league for a long time. Even Ingram will be good but Ingram does not have the ceiling Coples has. Ingram will be a good player no doubt and he is the safer pick but he doesn't have the chance to be great like Coples does.
"Coples is a great athlete and can be a great pass rusher. When he tries. He's lackadaisical and doesn't give 100 percent every play. He gave himself a C for his effort as a Tar Heel last year. I don't like this pick, this is a bust for the Jets who needed a lot of help on the edge (Melvin Ingram)."
Be honest who gives 100% effort all the time. Great players can turn it up a notch when they have to because they aren't wasting energy on every play.
I like the fact that he rated himself a C. If he had rated himself an A in his senior year when his Junior year was clearly better, I'd be concerned. This tells me he knows he is better than his senior year, and for reasons best explained by Brad and others, his senior year resulted in the negatives that are circulating about him. Rating himself a C is his way of saying, "I know I stunk up the field and watch me, because I'm a better player than that and I'll prove I don't deserve the negatives."
I'm glad that someone looks at that whole blown-out-of-proportion comment the same way that I do. Just because he was disappointed in his production doesn't mean that he was "lazy" or "doesn't love the game" by any means. It was an honest assessment of the end product of his 2011 season.
