Brilliant, just leave out the horrendous performances in other games from the discussion and Geno is a superstar. Ridley and Stacy don't really add anything above Ivory, Johnson and Powell. Decker was the only one they had to worry about? Did you turn away from the tv when Amaro, Kerley, Owusu, Sudfield and Cumberland were catching passes? Owusu accounted for 161 all purpose yards that game, more than his 2012 and 2013 entire seasons combined. Come on, if we are going to reach lets really reach. Owusu should be penciled in to start based on this game.
He's done some things that are good and some things that are awful. He's been a below average quarterback in his first 2 years, but the "worst QB ever" narrative on this site is too much. I think his poor play has been compounded by the media ridicule and the guy that came before him. People are looking at it as 6 years of Sanchez/Geno instead of 2 years of Geno. He's been bad but it's a tad overblown. I actually found some really cool stats from Pro Football Focus about his rookie year (couldn't find ones from 2014) that back up some of the stuff that I've believed and it actually suggests that he might have a decent season in the spread. It'll take a while but if you have a chance go through these: https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2014/06/03/qbs-in-focus/ You'll notice some trends like being awful when the ball comes out of his hand quickly but top half of the league when he holds onto the ball longer. Awful on passes 1-10 yards but top half of the league on 15-30. Awful on 3 and 5 step drops but great on 7 step drops. Better rolling out. Etc. If I have time later I'll break them all down in a post so you don't have to read through all of them. He's more suited for a spread offense than a rhythm passing attack. He's not smart enough to operate a timing offense. That being said, I wouldn't want a guy as my long term starter who can't run basic NFL concepts like that. However, I think if you throw him in the spread and do the things he's good at for a year or 2 while you develop Petty or look for a different answer, he'll be more than serviceable.
And Finnegan was so bad in this game that he got forced into retirement. Early in the game the announcer says how he wants to play one more year, then he got torched so bad that he decided to hang it up.
Great, detailed post. The conclusion is still concerning, though. Can Geno bring our talented team to the playoffs? Can we win us a playoff game? If the answer to the first question is yes and the second is no, our team will remain on the cusp of transcending mediocrity for a few years before our talent ages out. If this is the case, we better hope Petty develops because we won't have a top 10 draft pick until it is too late.
I could really care less that you don't seem to think Geno is any sort of a capable QB. It's just constant failure on your end with your "witty" remarks. I know you're probably still sobbing since the Jets didn't mortgage their next 8 years of first round picks for Mariota.
OK, my bad, Chris Owusu was another star WR Geno had, along with Eric Decker. LOL. Are you serious?! How many teams will gameplan to stop Chris Owusu, Jace Amaro, Zach Sudfeld, Cumberland, or Kerley? lmao! Let's be real here, Eric Decker was the only WR any other team even knew about on our roster, let alone would be worried about. Owusu had one good game in week 17 last year probably because the defense didn't realize he was even on the field! They figured we don't have to cover that scrub, what a joke that the Jets have to put him on the field! So Miami could practically triple cover Decker if they wanted to, and he (and Geno) still torched them. Sure it's just one game, but it's not exactly the only good game Geno has had, and it's his most recent game so maybe a sign of things to come? The announcers were saying Geno has really matured a lot, and he is serious about working hard and becoming a great player. That bodes well for him, and us as fans, in year 3, a year when many players start to really emerge!
They obviously could not triple cover him since multiple other receivers were catching the ball and as previously pointed out Cortland Finnegan was so bad that game he just decided to retire. You say Owusu only had one good game last year as to discount him, well how many good games did Geno have? 1, maybe 2 if you count Oak., and it was against a team with nothing to play for in the last game of the season. I foresee Owusu getting more playing time in the coming seasons than Geno.
Geno is probably really a very good quarterback. It's just that us white people can't see it through the racist way we view the world. His constant interceptions, fumbles, and brain farts aren't his fault, they are our fault. We're the ones who oppressed his ancestors centuries ago. We are to blame. He should get a free ride for as long as he feels necessary.
The only signs we can be assured of is that there are inconsistencies in Smiths play if this is what you are all excited about then get excited
Can't remember if I posted my reason- hah The reason I dislike him is because after sucking, he takes little to no accountability. Especially so early in his career. That stuff drives me nuts.
He's gotten better at it I think. He played a pretty damn good game against the Pats week 7 and afterwords he only talked about how he came up short and he needs to capitalize on red zone opportunities. I've hardly ever heard him say that he played a good game or pat himself on the back, if I recall he referred to his Week 17 Miami game as "decent" (maybe a different game). My favorite story was one told on MNF by Mike Tirico in 2013 vs Atlanta. Geno had just played that atrocious Tennessee game and afterwards he went up to each member of the defense individually and apologized, and Cro said that he really won the guys by doing that. I put more stock into stuff like that than in media accountability. But for the most part I agree. He seems somewhat apathetic in some press conferences and you wonder whether or not it really gets under his skin when he plays like crap, which it should.
I don't care much about Geno. He really really has to turn it around to get me back on his side. Put me down as a fan who will not accept just improvement from him. He already killed us last year by being a bum and than winning a really nothing game that cheated us out of possibly a real top QB. Many of U guys may be happy if he raises his game to to 8-8. Not me it's either playoff or bust. I rooted for him when he started and if he starts will still root for him BUT!!! I was happy with the win against the fins and but when the realization of what it cost us hit me I was one unhappy camper. My thinking is he will be gone by season end.
Okay, referring to my previous post, this one is bad: http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/je...curious-self-evaluation-i-think-i-played-good Those are awful quotes after a loss in which you score 16 points, but as Cimini notes it was a surprise because he usually doesn't defer blame like that. Still not good accountability at all.
hes smart enough to run a timing offense, I'm sure he knows WHERE and WHEN things are supposed to happen, he just doesn't react quickly enough for it. a HUGE problem init of itself, but not really related to intelligence. he just doesn't get the ball out quickly very well, maybe as the game continues to slow down for him (it has) and his technique refines itself so he pulls the trigger quicker (and THATS his BIGGEST issue) that can change. big maybe, these are clearly the fundamental issues keeping him from being anything more than a low rate starter. a spread attack that gives him the chance to make plays in that 10-20 yard zone and really get into his own groove rather than work like a machine is definitely how we make the most of him for now. it might be the best chance we have to be anything this year, or else rely on a mid-tier gunslinger in Fitzpatrick to make quick passes and work from there.
I mean, I get all this "he may not be intelligent enough.." opinions. But imagine how hard it must be read defenses and get throws out on time when your entire offense moved at the same speed? My personal opinion about the accuracy in the short drops and throws is that the defense is ignoring the deep stuff because the Jets didn't have a deep threat or the speed outside to get there. Yeah, in a NORMAL offense, the short patterns should be gimmies. but, because of Jets commitment to the run, the immaturity of the QB, and limited speed at the skill positions, this short area was not an easy read for our QB. But it should be much different this season. the interior OL has been fortified (if even ONE of the FOUR OGs proves to be better than Aboushi). the receivers have been upgraded and TWO go-to guys are lining up outside. We got a shifty little slot guy and speed burner and we have some WRs from last year looking to stick around. AND we have a rookie TE who seems better than Dustin Keller, though maybe not as good as Jerome Barkum. Doesn't seem like any QB could use "lack of talent" as an excuse this upcoming season. So, it's all on Geno now. He really does deserve this shot. The Jets offensive personnel was atrocious his first season. And by rights, he should have sat that season. Last season it only improved a couple of weeks after Winters was replaced and once they traded for Harvin. In other words, they plugged the gaping A Gap hole/turnstile and put some actual speed in at WR temporarily. Well, now all the personnel issues seem resolved, barring injury. (I'd still like a little pass-catching RB like Woodhead or Leon Washington, but can't have everything I suppose...) So, no more excuses!!, er justifiable reasons.
