Why do people think Brian Schottenheimer is a good OC?

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  1. slimjasi

    slimjasi Well-Known Member

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    LACK OF TALENT
     
  2. Zach

    Zach Well-Known Member

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    Ok. Balance is all good and dandy, but here's the crux of the problem. For the game last week, Buffalo had a completely depleted LB corp. Only Pos was returning from injury (so he was rusty). Other than Posluzny, that LB was completely decimated. Now, how do you take advantage of that? Either you run the ball at them, or let Leon loose in the shallow. That's called adjusting to the weakness of the defense. Brian NEVER does this. You keep picking on their LBs till they make other concessions. That's when other things open up for the offense. Why bother throwing if you just KNOW they cannot even properly defend the rush attack? Keeping the balance for the sake of the balance is not how you keep the defense honest. You must kick them while they are on the ground. You must keep pounding at where it hurts the most - till they wave the white flag. You must break their will to fight, to the point where they are just ready to submit and go home. Brian doesn't have this. That's the sad part.
     
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    Zach Well-Known Member

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    If I were to add my extra two cents here:

    I happen to think that current Jets offense is suffering heavily from the identity crisis. Their OL play resembles the Bill Walsh offense, but they don't have the receiver to pull that off. On the other hand, their RBs are still looking for a space to run behind, than looking for the ball as a receiver out of the backfield. Their short passing attack isn't really stretching the defense horizontally, as it is usually done in Bill Walsh offense. In short, Jets OL fits the Walsh offense while all the other pieces in the skillset position fits the Gillman offense. Bad fit, if you ask me.

    The case in point is the performance of the OL. I won't dial back like 10 years like I have in the past few postings - just think the Chargers OL performances about 4 to 5 years ago, when LaDanian Tomlinson was the king on the turf. He's an impressive cutback runner on his own, but how did he get 4+ yards a carry against any team on a consistent basis? That magic belongs to the OL play. At the snap of the ball, the OL - especially at the point of attack - gets a powerful push. Usually, the Chargers OL had an average of 2 yard push. What Tomlinson had to do was to dance around behind the line and find extra two yards. Now... that's just the bread and butter play. When the defense breaks down... that's when Tomlinson breaks for a massive gain or even TD.

    Now... cue in the 2006 ~ 2009 Jets OL. During that four year stretch, Jets OL have never exhibited any semblance to physical play that we've seen from the Chargers OL. Believe it or not, Jets during that era was more of finesse running team than smashmouth football team. In short, smashmouth football teams rarely gets stuffed on 4th and 1 on a regular basis like this Jets offense. They impose their collective will on the ground, and blast through the defense for the first down (or TD)

    Even look at TJ. We all bitch about how much he sucks, and how he only manages 2 yards a carry, but think about this. If his line affords him extra 2 yards at the snap, wouldn't he get 4 yards by the time he goes down? Coincidentally, that's how Tomlinson would get his 4 yards on a regular basis. I really think this OL is not physical enough - maybe that, or this OL is not playing physical enough.
     
  4. tbruner12

    tbruner12 Well-Known Member

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    you seem to be skipping the most important part of his tenure here with the jets... he has had a different set of circumstances with the qb every year that he has been here. any offense will act like his has in the 3 plus years that he has ran this particular offense. i mean the qb position is only the most important player on the field, yet you people seem to bashing this guy over something he has no control over. coaches do not make players, its players who make coaches.......and thats the bottom line!
     
  5. tbruner12

    tbruner12 Well-Known Member

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    so who in the NFL can come in to our team, and dumb down our offense so that our dumb players can understand it? we cant run the ball like a smashmouth team because our o-line isnt equiped to do so. our offense cant run effectively because our qb doesnt "get it" yet. its not the scheme its the players. all of these guys can run with any high school offense, nation wide. most of them can understand any college system, but not all players. some of our players understand our offense, while others cannot. if a pro player cannot ingest a pro offense in a particular amount of time, regardless of his position, then that player should leave the system, not the system leaving the players...like you want it.
     
  6. ridetilidie21

    ridetilidie21 New Member

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    The running game has over 300 yards on the ground and sanchez already has 4 interceptions and Schotty Shithead thinks it's a good idea to keep goin to the air in overtime against the Bills. BRILLIANT! Result: Fifth interception for Sanchez, Bills win
     
  7. NDmick

    NDmick Revis Christ

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    wow.......no
     
  8. ukilledkenny

    ukilledkenny You bastards!

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    we had already ran the ball to get us into field goal position once, and had an awful penalty kill that. if that penalty doesn't happen we probably win and the bitching about schotty is at about half the level it is right now.
     
  9. jerseyjetfan84

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    shotty sucks hands down
     
  10. NJrocket24

    NJrocket24 Well-Known Member

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    Always too smart for the room. Always getting away from things that are working just to try another strategy. Making things too complicated when they don't need to be.
     
  11. Br4d

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    When the defense can't stop something you never stop doing it until they prove they can. That's NFL OC 101. Schotty skipped that course.
     

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