Who is bashing? And I don't understand this situation? Why would I not like him, I don't even know the guy? I am bashing because I think Brick is a better player, and will be better for the team? Because I have a different opinion than you, there must be some underlying motive or I just don't know anything? Unbelievable. I rate Brick a little higher on my board than Williams, or Leinart, or anyone else other than Bush, because I feel he fills a bigger need and has more upside, so I must be bashing. God forbid someone is not on the Williams "beast" bandwagon or Leinart love fest, and they must have a problem. I honestly do not see anything in Jones that would warrant passing up on Brick if we had the opportunity to draft him. How is that anymore unreasonable than the people who are all but professing their love for Williams or Leinart on this board? Honestly I want Williams or Brick, but I have Brick rated a little higher. I have seen him play and he is a OL prospect that does not come around often. And when the biggest need on the team is Oline, I think if the FO has the opportunity to take him they should. But because I present the other side of the argument I must be bashing or don't understand what is going on.
You said it would take a "Herculean" effort for him to go from average to solid starter. If that's your opinion, fine, but I have no idea how one would come to that conclusion.
Because I don't think he is that good, at least I have seen nothing yet. And for where I see him now, to where he would be better than Brick would be, or at least a solid player, would be a big jump, herculean in my opinion. You evaluate him higher than I do. It is called a difference of opinion. It does not mean I am bashing or don't know what I am talking about. I make it a point to focus on the lines, it is the area that interests me the most, both lines. And watching Jones did not impress me, I saw nothing that wowed me. But I don't know everything and welcome someone who can tell me a play, or serious, or stat, anything that can convince me Jones is a better long term prospect than Brick. I want someone to, I like debate. I just would never accuse someone of "bashing" just because of a difference of opinion.
So is it an unwritten rule that power DE's play the right side?? Why doesn't someone just stick a speed rusher on that side to give the big RT troubles??
Correct me if im wrong but didnt Adrian Jones play TE in college for abit not to long ago? If so im guessing him getting bigger is an ongoing thing hes been doing, proably if we were able to compare his weight and such, he has proably gotten bigger every year since he was switched from TE to tackle. I dont think Adrian Jones will be a every year pro bowl player but i think he can be a solid LT to the point where we can draft BPA. I think it is just nice to have that luxury where we dont have to get Ferguson if the staff does not feel hes the BPA.
Yes, yer right, and Jones has been bounced around FAR too much so far. College: 2001: TE 2002: TE 2003: LT NFL 2004: RT, no playing time 2005: RT, started 3 games, switched to LT In 2004, he was in a man blocking scheme, then was asked to learn zone blocking, started 3 games at RT, then got switched to LT. He's been handled badly, and he still did pretty well. This is why I believe given some stability, he can be a well above avg LT in the NFL. I have to laugh at some people saying Jones has been hyped or over rated.... he simply has not been given the chance to prove what he can do. I think he will improve, and he could improve considerably, if given some stabilty, coaching, and a chance to play one position.
U couldnt of said it better....Just give the kid some time in the weight room and im sure he will do everything he can to protect whoever our qb will be
It basically works out this way b/c DC's want to put their biggest and strongest DE on the right side b/c that is usually the "Strong side" of the O where the TE lines up in order to formulate a running game. It is not set in stone as many teams attempt to flop things around to create mismatches, but it is ideal to have an RT w/ good strength and bulk to handle the bigger DE's who are attempting to split double teams.
I think it has more to do with teams putting their best pass rusher on the QB's blindside (his most susceptible area, where its difficult to see the rush, and thus in theory, should be easier to get more sacks). Since this pass rusher is usually undersized, and more a sack artist than a run defender, teams complement him with a run stuffer on the other end (pass rushing responsibilty is a secondary resp), so that they do not become totally incompetant against the run. Where the TE lines up does not concern the runstuffing end, because even if the TE lines up to the left, the run stuffing end would still line up to the right
Not in all schemes. Many schemes including the one we ran the past 2 years, the ends side was based on the "weak side/strong side" way of thought.
true. John Fox, you'll note, has always done the flopping - both with Strahan and Peppers. If you have a DE that can handle the run AND rush the passer it's often to his benefit to match up with the slower-footed RT.
