Mangini freely admits the Jets filmed the Pats last year. http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/football/nfl/12/12/bc.fbn.jets.videotaping.ap/index.html Now here is the important line. " Mangini was also asked if the Jets were, at all, taping the Patriots' defensive signals. "No," Mangini said smugly." That's the difference between us and those scumbags up north.
Is it any wonder why Peter King named his dog "Cum Stains"? That is what he continually washes off after an "interview" with BB.
It's funny, all week I have found myself flipping past ESPN right when they get to the daily Jets-Pats cameragate segment, and it's like I am hearing them read a post directly from a Patriots message board.
New Camera Angle: The Rest of the Story Published: Wed, December 12, 3:03pm EST By Randy Lange Article Permalink: http://www.newyorkjets.com/blog/posts/342-new-camera-angle-the-rest-of-the-story 12/12 — Let's not let facts stand in the way of good stories. Jets head coach Eric Mangini was asked at today's news conference about articles that appeared in several New York media outlets today stating that, according to NFL sources, a Jets employee was "caught" videotaping from the end zone stands at Gillette Stadium last season, that the Jets "claim" they received approval from the Patriots and "admitted" they videotaped the game. Good buzzwords, good headline words. But not exactly accurate in describing what actually happened. "We taped the game is what we taped," Mangini said today in response to the question. "And we taped an end-zone copy of the game. We tape a double-end-zone, which is standard operating procedure for us. We request that every single road game, and it's usually granted if physically it's possible." Why would the Jets, or any other team, make such requests? "Anytime you practice, you try to shoot the unit from the sideline and then from the end zone behind them so that you can see ... hand placement, fits, that type of thing. That's how you watch practice every day, that's how you evaluate practice every day. And it's the same thing with games. You like to have that same copy, because really, that's just an extension of the evaluation." So the Jets did nothing wrong? "We do it every time we go on the road," the coach said. "We ask for permission to do it. It's within the league rules, and when people ask us to do it, we grant it as well." In fact, Mangini responded to a later question, he didn't have exact numbers on how many opponents have asked to tape from both end zones during Jets games at the Meadowlands the last two seasons but "I can tell you that anybody that's asked has been granted permission. ... It's a pretty common courtesy." As an aside, major college programs such as Tennessee, Clemson and Texas A&M offer the same courtesy to scouts who are evaluating their players during games. Then why did the Patriots confront this Jets employee and remove him from his Gillette end zone mezzanine position? Mangini said he didn't know. "It just was what it was," he said. "We had asked permission, it was granted, and then that changed and we respect their decision. It's their stadium." The Jets coach confirmed this incident happened at last season's playoff game, not at the regular-season game. He said the Jets were granted permission to tape from both end zones for Game 9 and did so without incident. Newsday said an NFL source told the Long Island newspaper that the Patriots did not bring this incident up to the league during its investigation into the Jets' charges of illegal videotaping by the Patriots at this season's opener in September. Two further clarifications on the reporting. When Jets GM Mike Tannenbaum replied to a Foxsports.com question on this matter, "Absolutely no truth to that whatsoever. Completely false," he was responding to the question: Was a Jets employee removed from Gillette Stadium last year for the same reason a Patriots employee was removed from the Meadowlands sidelines in this season's opener? And Bruce Speight, the Jets' senior director of media relations, was quoted saying, "All filming at last year's Patriots game was done with pre-approval from the Patriots and in accordance with NFL rules." His response was to the question: Was a member of your video staff caught taping by the New England Patriots and asked to stop? You can take your sides on this issue as with all off-field issues surrounding the Jets and Patriots these days. But doesn't this information help provide a clearer picture of what might have occurred back in January in the Massachusetts countryside? The upshot to this latest video episode is that the Jets have not requested double-end-zone videotaping privileges at Sunday's game. "We just didn't look to get permission," Mangini said. "Didn't think it would be granted."
Everyone loves to cite that memo sent around by the commissioner that is fairly explicit in saying that what the Pats doing wasn't okay in their eyes, but can anybody actually cite the NFL rule that says this? This is an actual question, I have yet to read anyone on either side of the argument (anywhere) cite any actual text from the NFL Rulebook, which in the end is the only thing that matters. Roger Goodell could send out a memo stating that kicking field goals is strictly prohibited, but unless its spelled out in the rulebook it doesn't matter (well I suppose maybe it does since it is in my opinion that the Pats were mostly punished for ignoring a league memo rather than cheating).
"he's a tattle-tale" "but he started it!" thank you sports media, for bringing be back to the glory days of fourth grade.
I would think showing up to work cranked up on drugs is a no-no, even if it isn't specifically spelled out in the Employee Handbook. Again, Belichick was formally warned. In writing. I guess it was implied certain things didn't apply to him...? It was spelled out to him personally. In no uncertain terms. EDIT: :lol:
..Ironically it's you guys who are trying to make everyone seem guilty so that you can get away without that *. And I love the way you guys just ball it all up into generic videotaping. What the Jets did: - taped an end-zone copy of the game (Legal) and what all teams do. - Got permission to do so. What the Patsies did: - Taped Signals from the Coaches (Illegal) and what the teams do NOT do. - Continued to do so even AFTER the League said not to. Get it? Comprende? Capish? and before you get your patsie panties in a bunch. permission WAS granted then your grimy asses changed their mind. Typical douche move. And don't take this personally. This is aimed at the Patsies, not you guys. :wink:
It is completely irrelevant who started it first. It's done with. The Pats got caught, and they got a pretty hefty punishment. Now if anyone in the NFL ever gets caught doing it again, they deserve the same, if not more punishment since a precedent has been set. Nobody on this forum (Pats fan or Jets fan) has any clue how widespread this was or wasn't or how the taping was actually used by the Patriots and if it did help them or not. Obviously Patriots fans are going to make the argument that it didn't help them, everyone did it, therefore the Patriots did nothing wrong and Jets fans are going to argue that it did help them, it was not widespread and only the Pats did after being warned, and that it soils their reputation because it effected the outcomes of the games. What do both sides have in common? Their based on completely unproven assumptions and it's all speculation.
