Wanting your second year Qb to be great does not make him so. On the numbers it is no contest between them, even considering Vick's issues. The Jets should play the Qb who can win the most games. They do not owe it to Smith to have the season dedicated to him. If he gets in there, which is likely given Vick's record of injuries, let him show what he can do, just like Foles did the last two years when given the chance. Something tells me Smith is no Foles, though.
Finally we agree on something. I do think Smith would look a lot more like Foles if he had LeSean McCoy having the season he did in his backfield though.
While the Eagles had an awesome rushing performance last year, the Jets were tied for ninth in yards per carry and at sixth for total rushing yards. The Jets were therefore providing top third run support to Smith. In fact it is quite plausible that the rushing numbers would have been even better if Smith were a bigger threat to throw. I don't think we can say that Smith's problems last year were due in any measure to inadequate run support. That excuse should be off the table.
Geno outside of Kerley and Winslow had a slew of unreliable weapons at his disposal. Not saying Geno Smith is the man, but I don't think our skill players on the outside helped at all.
It isn't just about yards per carry or rushing yards in my opinion, and although I saw some rookie growing pains for sure in Geno, I think most of his struggles came from not having confidence in his receivers. None really got open, against single coverage while Kerley was out, and Kerley's presence made a noticeable difference in Geno's play. That's one reason I think Decker will make such a big difference. Better than anyone we have, and is very consistent. And what I mean about McCoy is his threat to kill you in so many ways. He can take it to the house on any given type of play; up the gut, off tackle, sweep, draw, screen, pass to the flats, running a short rout... He ran for 1,607 yards on 314 carries with 9 TD. Thats 5.1 yards per carry. He had 52 receptions for 539 yards with 2 TD, that's 10.4 yards per reception. Thats only 89 total yards less then our top rusher and top 3 receivers combined, and he was responsible for more touches then all 4. He had more touchdowns than our top 3 scorers (Ivory, Kerley, and Cumberland. McCoy had more receiving yards than our leading receiver. He had multiple runs of 57 yards, and a reception for 70 yards. That is an amazingly explosive athlete. If we had a real threat like him Geno would have been much much better, let alone a decent receiver.
I think Geno will be given every opportunity to be the starting QB this season. I know there is going to be a competition for the position, but unless Vick is leaps and bounds better than Geno, I think Geno is getting the start. I'm ok with Geno starting, but there are no more excuses. The running game will be as good or better. The OL will be in the same ballpark, could be slightly better, could be slightly worse, could be the same. WR's will without question be better. Decker will be an improvement over Holmes and with 12 picks I imagine 2 WR's will be drafted (1 high, 1 low). This will be the best offensive support we've put around a QB since the early Sanchez days. I think a QB should be drafted in the 3-4-5 this season. Maybe someone like Mettenberger if he falls. I'm cool giving Geno this season, but he has no reason not to produce. He now has stability in the coaching staff, and improved players around him.
Vick is a backup. We know that. Geno is a maybe. Start the maybe. Vick's maybes are long gone. If he actually beat Geno out the Jets would be kicking themselves for not going QB
geno could sit the bench this year and still become a good qb. nick foles lost the qb competition to vick last year and didn't turn into a pumpkin.
Smith winning the job in august and Smith being a longtime starter for the Jets are not mutually exclusive concepts contrary to popular belief. If Vick looks vastly more comfortable, competent and confident within this offense, as he should be expected unless everything has gone utterly RIGHT with Smith, than fine Vick starts week 1. but thats no reason to assume Smith is DONE, in fact its very un-circumstantial thinking with ALOT of assumptions as to what would have actually happened, probably due to some pre-established bias about both players. what will matter MOST for Smith is that he comes back to camp better than last year, in every regard.his long term potential as it stands in the next 4-5 months will not be defined by winning the job early, though it would certainly be reenforced by doing so. It will be defined by noticeable progression in any areas of weakness he has shown in the past. we need to stop thinking so black and white in assuming starting week 1 is do or die for Smith's career, there is a grey area were it just means he's not as complete a product in the offense as Vick is as of late summer 2014.
yes bait Vick showed that he is not starter any more. And Foles, given a long leash, showed that he was
do you mean based on play or injury history? Cause I remember seeing him play a couple of times last year and he looked starter quality, not all pro or anything, but like a starting QB. I don't think his PLAY showed he wasn't a starter anymore, so much as Foles hot hand and upside as a younger player did in the face of Vicks injury.
I saw him play a little too. When I watch Vick I see a guy with a strong arm who is inaccurate some of the time, holds the ball too long, and gets hurt all the time. I guess you could call him starter quality. There are so few good QBs around he might qualify. I think he Jets would prefer to go forward with someone else. If they think Geno has the potential they will. If they do not, they will pick a QB fairly high.
Vick got injured giving Foles an opportunity and he responded in his first two games by going 16/25 2TD/0INT 22/31 3TD/0INT Then he had a stinker with a concussion and Vick returned from injury the very next week only to get injured again leaving Foles another opportunity where he responded by going 22/28 for 406yards, 7TD/0INTs. Vick never showed he was no longer a starter. He won the job, got injured and Foles played very well. You say he was given a long leash but I don't see it. Foles went on to finish the season with 64% completions 27 TD's and only 2 INT's. That's a recipe for winning and you don't pull that guy off the field for anyone.
a guy who gets injured all the time is not starter material. certainly not what the Jets want as a starter.
You keep changing your argument. The bottom line is that when healthy Vick is almost certainly better than Geno Smith. Geno Smith could have made huge strides in the offseason to change that, but from what we've seen so far I believe that to be the case. My personal belief is that the best healthy QB should be the starter. I don't think it's reasonable to say someone shouldn't start because they might get injured. I think most guys on the team probably agree.
Would be really unfair to geno IMO if Vick starts week 1. But then again i kno Vick would of wished he went somewhere else if he comes here and get no PT. But $5 mill should keep him quiet if it does happen
What do you mean it would be "unfair"? Shouldn't the best players play? How would it be unfair to play a lesser player over a better option? Did everyone get a trophy in your little league?
Geno had no offense as a rookie QB now that were building one he should be our starter to see what he can do with some respectable talent around him. And yes everyone got a trophy in my little league... Whatever point that proves
What happened last year is irrelevant to who is the better QB this year. Which ever QB is better should start. If Geno isn't the better QB it doesn't matter who his weapons were last year. As for the trophy question ... it doesn't prove anything - just a hunch I had.
